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Date:         Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:06:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Organization: Cosmic Reminders
Subject:      Re: 5 speeds, was: Noisy transaxle??
Comments: To: ralph meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <CAAj276yFPB4i2jCWcM1fZEH0tPiG_-0Pt9u+visHSbBiZwFbJA@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds good. I love working metal myself. Heck .. just 'repairing' something is boring compared to making some creative part that's elegant.

the front trans mount is thicker than sheet metal of course.. but a torch and a few tools and you can do a lot there.

I modified the cross member there the front trans mount mounts. I made the two forward frame holes be the new aft once....welding in a piece of 2 inch angle iron for the new two forward holes. I also built a hump in the firewall for trans clearance to the body. And I relocated the brake line going across there. Tons of work.

there was a big discussion about this a couple of years ago I think .. and people mentioned a method similar to your idea I believe.. which would be simpler than what I did.

yeah..building the components..that gets to be fun. I just scored a new tool at a flea market ...10 bucks. A power band saw .. but not a band saw like the normal kind.. It's Milwaukee brand ' hand- held power hack saw' .. I cut a syncro skid bar with it last night ( to extend it for a subaru conversion ) and that saw cut through it like it was butter.. much nicer than a chop saw or hand hack saw, or cutting torch. for 10 bucks too ...had to have cost 200 new . It's way more fun if you fab up things yourself ..very rewarding that way.

if you move the trans forward , you have to shorten the rear shift rod a like amount usually. Not too hard to do.

yeah....5 speed 1.9 TD Westy .. doesn't get better than that until you go to TDI or Syncro.

Scott

On 10/22/2013 2:57 PM, ralph meyermann wrote: > Hmm? 2 " moving the engine back could make the throttle cable and coolant > lines an issue? A bit of cutting/sectioning/welding for the trans mount to > move forward shouldn't be that hard. I ave done plenty of sheet metal work > building dirt late model bodies and other components. > > Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy > On Oct 22, 2013 4:43 PM, "Scott Daniel" <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > >> That's not hard at all Ralph .. >> well, depending on what you mean by 'hard .' >> >> You might be able to do it without removing the gas tank ... >> and really ..since you have a guide bushing in a metal tab above your gas >> tank that you won't be using .. >> the right way involves removing the gas tank. >> and dealing with engine mounting location and bars. >> >> the 5 speed being two inches longer puts the engine two inches further aft >> , VW's solution. >> Mine was to move the front trans mount forward in the body two inches.. >> but it was a lot of work the way I did it. Worked out really nice though. >> >> Scott >> >> On 10/22/2013 2:15 PM, ralph meyermann wrote: >> >> Think I can handle that pattern, now the hard part of bolting it in and the >> connection of the shift linkage. >> >> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy >> On Oct 22, 2013 4:08 PM, "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@gmail.com> <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> The layout for a factory five-speed is all the way left and forward, >> reverse. All the way left and back, first. Forward in the middle slot, >> second. Pull back into third. Forward to the right is fourth, and you pull >> back into fifth. Fourth and fifth on all but your very steepest hills, >> that's what you get with a five speed. There is no pushing down to engage >> any gears, just click click click. Mine was rebuilt 100K miles ago and >> shifts very smoothly and precisely. >> >> Jim >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:00 PM, ralph meyermann <ralphmeyermann@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >> so instead of pushing down left and forward for reverse, it would be down >> left then back ? I could handle that, Velma is primarily a road >> trip/camping vehicle. This is my first VW and not informed on the various >> shift patterns. >> >> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy >> On Oct 22, 2013 3:02 PM, "mark drillock" <mdrillock@cox.net> <mdrillock@cox.net> wrote: >> >> >> There is no way to make 4 gears as useful as 5 for a non-tdi diesel. >> Spreading out 4 gears to cover the same range as 5 leaves gaps that the >> weaker engine can't deal with. >> >> You don't need to go down before left if you have the original 5 speed >> shifter. If you use the 4 speed shifter then the reverse lockout guide >> blocks 1st so you have to go down before you go left and back. >> >> Mark >> >> Stacy Schneider wrote: >> >> >> First is like going in to reverse on a classic beetle every time >> you come away from a stop sign . >> Of course this is my opinion . Some people may just shift around >> it and put the wear on their clutch instead . >> Sure it may give you a spread in shifting . But so will a well >> built. 4 speed and none of the dreaded down and left every time you >> >> stop . >> >> My. 914/6 had the same set up ,except you didn't have to push >> down to get in gear and I didn't 't care for it either. . >> I grew up driving and stick and have never owned any thing >> >> else >> >> . In my opinion 1st gear belongs up and left . Add as many gears on >> >> the >> >> end , I am fine as well . But left and down for 1 st ,no thanks . >> >> Stacy >> Vanagonsplus.com >> >> >> >> >>


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