Date:         Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:07:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Zeitgeist <gruengeist@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Zeitgeist <gruengeist@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Selling my 1989 Bluestar ($25k)
Comments: To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net>
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Sounds like my latest reluctant mission of mercy project

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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:

> Actually it's a 1963, not a 1960 and it's a survivor. I traded it to my
> oldest Son with the understanding that I could buy it back if he ever got
> tired of the car.
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> www.stir-plate.com
> www.towercooler.com
> www.grow-sun.com
> www.raspberryproject.com
>
> Did you try to call & I did not answer? I apologize but I never answer
> numbers I don’t recognize because I’m tired of sales people trying to sell
> me life insurance, health insurance, Obama insurance, merchant services,
> very expensive money and the latest, greatest “guaranteed to make millions”
> investment.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
> Of Karl Wolz
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:46 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Selling my 1989 Bluestar ($25k)
>
> I want that 190.
>
> Karl Wolz
> Sent from my electronic umbilicus
>
> > On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET> wrote:
> >
> > It’s not that way just for Vanagons! I’ve owned 20 old Mercedes, none of
> them collectable, and since I own & drive one I have also sold or traded 19
> of them.
> >
> >
> >
> > My latest Mercedes is a 1995 E320 that my oldest son picked up for $700.
> He put some money into the car and I traded a 1960 Mercedes 190Dc and $1500
> for the car. He came out $1500 ahead in total value. But he took a risk on
> the car and he has “sweat equity” invested. When I get tired of this one
> I’ll probably sell it for about $3500 and it will probably take me 6 months
> to sell.
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition to the Mercedes I’ve had other cars & motorcycles adding up
> to 60 or so not counting the ones I’ve disassembled for parts. And no, I’m
> not in the car business.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve had people tell me I’m “ripping them off”, my response has always
> been “ok, buy someone else’s Mercedes”. One person offer me a 1976 Vette in
> trade for a Mercedes that he claimed was in excellent shape. The entire
> clear coat was crazed and the interior was in shambles. When I refused to
> trade he & his friend got so upset about driving all the way in from
> Scottsboro for a “done deal” that I had to threaten to call the police
> before they would leave. One person chased me for 6 months with a $750
> offer on a 1976 BMW motorcycle I still ride today and it’s never been for
> sale!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bottom line is it’s never fun selling a car of any kind to the public.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Tom Hargrave
> >
> > www.kegkits.com <http://www.kegkits.com>
> >
> > www.stir-plate.com <http://www.stir-plate.com>
> >
> > www.towercooler.com <http://www.towercooler.com>
> >
> > www.grow-sun.com <http://www.grow-sun.com>
> >
> > www.raspberryproject.com <http://www.raspberryproject.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > Did you try to call & I did not answer? I apologize but I never answer
> numbers I don’t recognize because I’m tired of sales people trying to sell
> me life insurance, health insurance, Obama insurance, merchant services,
> very expensive money and the latest, greatest “guaranteed to make millions”
> investment.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
> Of Harry Hoffman
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:58 AM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Selling my 1989 Bluestar ($25k)
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep, that's been my experience too.
> > I realized that I priced it high but was not expecting some of the
> emails I got in response. I figured I'd get some low ballers but their low
> price would be where I was willing to sell.
> >
> > The amount of negativity was overwhelming, you'd think I shot someone's
> dog. One guy seemed so offended that he removed me from a vanagon Facebook
> group he created.
> >
> > There were a few good notes and well wishes but it's certainly a
> reminder of what $*@# people can be when they disagree about something.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Harry
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > From: J Stewart
> > Sent: Fri, Dec 27, 2013 07:44 AM
> > To: Harry Hoffman
> > CC: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Subject: Re: Selling my 1989 Bluestar ($25k)
> >
> > I've commented many times on the price of Vanagons. Here is what I've
> found: If I am looking to buy, every seller out there believes theirs is
> worth it's weight in gold, even with ripped canvas, passenger car tires,
> nasty stains on the upholstery, etc. When I'm trying to sell, every buyer
> thinks mine (with new canvas, 15 inch rims w/correct tires. good
> upholstery, lots of upgrades) isn't worth the scrap metal price. In 2012 I
> sold my '85 Weekender which I had done A LOT of work to for $5,500.00. A
> few months later when I started to look for another Westy, ones equal to
> mine were all $10K and up. I posted my disgust here. One listee was kind
> enough to email me and tell me I was an idiot to have sold mine so cheap,
> that he had never sold one for less than 10K. (If I never responded, please
> let me take the time now to thank this individual for taking time from his
> busy day to insult me) As luck would have it, the buyer of mine contacted
> me and told me had to sell, would I want it back for what he had paid (he
> had it 6 months and had driven it 300 miles. Hell yeah!! I bought it back
> two days later for $5,500.00.
> >
> > Jeff Stewart
> >
> >
> >
> >  _____
> >
> > Oh, sorry. Was using my "safe for TV" judgment.
> > And apparently I should have said OBO as 25k seems a bit too high for
> some.
> > Apparently if you replace/upgrade nearly every part of your vanagon you
> can still only sell if with 4 places to the left of the decimal point. Go
> figure.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Harry
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Harry
> >
> >> On Dec 26, 2013 2:22 PM, Ben <syncro@gmail.com <mailto:syncro@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We still frown the use of such "terms" on the List. Hurts my Vanagon's
> (r)ears.
> >>
> >> :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> BenT
> >> Mod
> >>
> >> (walking softly but still reading.)
> >>
> >>> On Dec 26, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Harry Hoffman <hhoffman@IP-SOLUTIONS.NET<mailto:
> hhoffman@IP-SOLUTIONS.NET> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "...kick-*ss..."
> >>>
> >>> "... bad*ss..."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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