Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:58:54 -0600
Reply-To: JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
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From: JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine
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My Cessna 195 with the 7 cylinder 300 HP Shakey-Jake engine held 5
gallons of oil. It was a dry sump engine and the oil was held in a
separate oil tank with an inlet and outlet hose to and from the engine.
Bad or weak oil lines were not tolerated, needless to say!
John
John
On 1/18/2014 10:19 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
> The Cat C7 engine in my RV takes 20 quarts plus the filters. Many truck engines take 44 or even more.
>
> Dennis,
>>From my phone.
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Cotsford<mailto:cotsford@aol.com>
> Sent: 1/18/2014 10:50 AM
> To: Dennis Haynes<mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Subject: Re: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine
>
> 5 gallons of oil in your engine ?? I know the US gallon tends to be smaller than the Imperial gallon but not that much smaller. I feel sure you meant to say quarts LOL :-) Steve
>
> On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>> Every now and then I get a chuckle thinking back to the days when many now
>> experts couldn't recognize or spell Vanagon. If there is one fault with the
>> auto repair industry it is the number of folks that learned strictly on the
>> job with very little in the way available to test or certify technicians. It
>> is not just Vanagon owners that have trouble getting "competent" work
>> performed. When I bought my motor home back in 2004 it took almost a year to
>> get reliable headlights. I replaced the headlight switch myself. I had the
>> dealer do the first valve adjustment. Ended up with a leaking valve cover
>> gasket and that was a $400 plus job. Had dealer in Florida do an oil change
>> once. They tried to charge me 11 gallons of Mobil Delvac 1. My engine only
>> takes 5. Had a customer bring me a Toyota with a "pinging" problem. Another
>> shop replaced the head. Turned out it wasn't ping but piston slap. Common
>> problem on these engines. Guy paid $3k for the head job and still really
>> needed an engine. That was a fun court event. That shop ended up paying me
>> to replace the engine. The fun goes on.
>>
>> When things go wrong many want the quick fix. Adjustments never fix
>> anything. All changes in operation revolve around something failing. As
>> these vans are getting old we have to include the wiring as a common
>> problem. But symptoms should always be diagnosed. Don't just "clean the
>> grounds". Which ground? Is it the wire or the connector? Is where a bunch of
>> connectors are tied together? Find the problem, then fix. Don't just unplug
>> the O2 sensor. What does it do? When is it looked at? You won't fix a no
>> start with that one. If the input lead is shorted you won't know until you
>> get the meter. In 25+ years and 150+ Vanagons I've changed 2 air flow
>> meters. Both were opened and tampered with. They really don't go bad. Even
>> if worn they really do so little the engine controls compensate if the O2
>> system is working.
>>
>> The vanagon engine control system really is an easy one. Just a few quirks
>> with the O2 sensor but overall it works very well. Most often running
>> problems turn out to be something past the controls. Bad valves, worn
>> guides, rings, etc. will make more grief then the controls.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jim Felder
>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 7:12 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine
>>
>> Dennis, are you saying he ISN'T???
>>
>> LOL I know I am! We have a great shop in town and they call me! Happened
>> today.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Dennis Haynes
>> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Some of us are just waiting for you to go into the Vanagon repair
>> business!
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve Cotsford
>>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:17 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine
>>>
>>> Seems like I can be amusing to some :-) Glad to be of service LOL
>> Enjoy
>>> it while it lasts ;-) Steve
>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No end of challenging problems between you and Steve Cotsford and
>>>> his Bluestar! The list would be boring without you.
>>>>
>>>> Is this the one you've replaced the distributor on? Revisit that
>>>> first, wires second, injectors third. Stumbling under load is
>>>> usually a spark or fuel problem. I just had a similar problem and
>>>> the coil secondary wire was badly corroded at the coil. Clean and
>>>> spray them all
>>> with a little WD-40.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of JRodgers
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:23 PM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine
>>>>
>>>> Rough engine - the latest pita I'm having to deal with on a string
>>>> of
>>> many!!
>>>> I'm on a roll!!
>>>>
>>>> Ok - hot or cold - engine starts and idles well.
>>>>
>>>> Conditions - ISV disconnected due to Idle issues
>>>> O2 Sensor Disconnected to put ECU in default mode.
>>>>
>>>> Cold engine: starts easily, idles easily, but upon attempted
>>>> acceleration it bucks, kicks, snorts, hiccups, coughs - finally
>>>> smoothing
>>> out at speed.
>>>>
>>>> Warm engine: starts easily, idles easily, but upon attempted
>>>> acceleration it bucks, kicks, snorts, hiccups, coughs - finally
>>>> smoothing
>>> out at speed.
>>>> Only the bucking isn't quite so bad. Occurs mostly on the initial
>>>> acceleration after idling successful.
>>>>
>>>> Suspicion: Throttle body switches out of limits and need adjusting.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any ideas about this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
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