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Date:         Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:20:54 -0500
Reply-To:     Steve Cotsford <cotsford@AOL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Steve Cotsford <cotsford@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine
Comments: To: JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <52DAB2CE.1080902@gmail.com>
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Well I have to admit that although I have worked around, designed in, and am conversant with large engines, Cummins, Cat, Deutz, etc. even 180 ton GE locomotives, I have never owned and driven a personal vehicle with an engine that had more than 7 quarts of oil in the oil pan. Even my diesel Land Rover has less. Being on a list primarily dealing with VW vans, I confess it did not occur to me that others on the list might deal with very much bigger and more powerful vehicles. Now I am a little wiser :-) Steve

On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:58 AM, JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> My Cessna 195 with the 7 cylinder 300 HP Shakey-Jake engine held 5 > gallons of oil. It was a dry sump engine and the oil was held in a > separate oil tank with an inlet and outlet hose to and from the engine. > Bad or weak oil lines were not tolerated, needless to say! > > John > > John > > On 1/18/2014 10:19 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote: >> The Cat C7 engine in my RV takes 20 quarts plus the filters. Many truck engines take 44 or even more. >> >> Dennis, >>> From my phone. >> ________________________________ >> From: Steve Cotsford<mailto:cotsford@aol.com> >> Sent: ‎1/‎18/‎2014 10:50 AM >> To: Dennis Haynes<mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> >> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Subject: Re: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine >> >> 5 gallons of oil in your engine ?? I know the US gallon tends to be smaller than the Imperial gallon but not that much smaller. I feel sure you meant to say quarts LOL :-) Steve >> >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: >> >>> Every now and then I get a chuckle thinking back to the days when many now >>> experts couldn't recognize or spell Vanagon. If there is one fault with the >>> auto repair industry it is the number of folks that learned strictly on the >>> job with very little in the way available to test or certify technicians. It >>> is not just Vanagon owners that have trouble getting "competent" work >>> performed. When I bought my motor home back in 2004 it took almost a year to >>> get reliable headlights. I replaced the headlight switch myself. I had the >>> dealer do the first valve adjustment. Ended up with a leaking valve cover >>> gasket and that was a $400 plus job. Had dealer in Florida do an oil change >>> once. They tried to charge me 11 gallons of Mobil Delvac 1. My engine only >>> takes 5. Had a customer bring me a Toyota with a "pinging" problem. Another >>> shop replaced the head. Turned out it wasn't ping but piston slap. Common >>> problem on these engines. Guy paid $3k for the head job and still really >>> needed an engine. That was a fun court event. That shop ended up paying me >>> to replace the engine. The fun goes on. >>> >>> When things go wrong many want the quick fix. Adjustments never fix >>> anything. All changes in operation revolve around something failing. As >>> these vans are getting old we have to include the wiring as a common >>> problem. But symptoms should always be diagnosed. Don't just "clean the >>> grounds". Which ground? Is it the wire or the connector? Is where a bunch of >>> connectors are tied together? Find the problem, then fix. Don't just unplug >>> the O2 sensor. What does it do? When is it looked at? You won't fix a no >>> start with that one. If the input lead is shorted you won't know until you >>> get the meter. In 25+ years and 150+ Vanagons I've changed 2 air flow >>> meters. Both were opened and tampered with. They really don't go bad. Even >>> if worn they really do so little the engine controls compensate if the O2 >>> system is working. >>> >>> The vanagon engine control system really is an easy one. Just a few quirks >>> with the O2 sensor but overall it works very well. Most often running >>> problems turn out to be something past the controls. Bad valves, worn >>> guides, rings, etc. will make more grief then the controls. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of >>> Jim Felder >>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 7:12 PM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: Re: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine >>> >>> Dennis, are you saying he ISN'T??? >>> >>> LOL I know I am! We have a great shop in town and they call me! Happened >>> today. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Dennis Haynes >>> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Some of us are just waiting for you to go into the Vanagon repair >>> business! >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Steve Cotsford >>>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:17 PM >>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>> Subject: Re: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine >>>> >>>> Seems like I can be amusing to some :-) Glad to be of service LOL >>> Enjoy >>>> it while it lasts ;-) Steve >>>> >>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No end of challenging problems between you and Steve Cotsford and >>>>> his Bluestar! The list would be boring without you. >>>>> >>>>> Is this the one you've replaced the distributor on? Revisit that >>>>> first, wires second, injectors third. Stumbling under load is >>>>> usually a spark or fuel problem. I just had a similar problem and >>>>> the coil secondary wire was badly corroded at the coil. Clean and >>>>> spray them all >>>> with a little WD-40. >>>>> >>>>> Stuart >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >>>>> Behalf Of JRodgers >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:23 PM >>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>> Subject: Volksiebus - 88 Transporter - Rough Running Engine >>>>> >>>>> Rough engine - the latest pita I'm having to deal with on a string >>>>> of >>>> many!! >>>>> I'm on a roll!! >>>>> >>>>> Ok - hot or cold - engine starts and idles well. >>>>> >>>>> Conditions - ISV disconnected due to Idle issues >>>>> O2 Sensor Disconnected to put ECU in default mode. >>>>> >>>>> Cold engine: starts easily, idles easily, but upon attempted >>>>> acceleration it bucks, kicks, snorts, hiccups, coughs - finally >>>>> smoothing >>>> out at speed. >>>>> >>>>> Warm engine: starts easily, idles easily, but upon attempted >>>>> acceleration it bucks, kicks, snorts, hiccups, coughs - finally >>>>> smoothing >>>> out at speed. >>>>> Only the bucking isn't quite so bad. Occurs mostly on the initial >>>>> acceleration after idling successful. >>>>> >>>>> Suspicion: Throttle body switches out of limits and need adjusting. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone have any ideas about this? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> John >>>> >> .


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