Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 01:13:29 -0600
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Subject: Re: Syncros. Positractions, Peloquins, and One Wheel Drives
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Tires and driving style are the majority of it. If it would work and I
could get away with it, I'd run the studs like the Ice Racers do.
GregM
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Subject: Re: Syncros. Positractions, Peloquins, and One Wheel Drives
Saw this in Alaska every fall at first snowfalls. All the Chechakos
(newcommers)with their fancy 4WD rigs had to learn the hard way.,
John
On 2/2/2014 10:31 PM, James wrote:
> To add one more note to this, was out and about in yesterday's snowstorm
in our front-wheel-drive Toyota Matrix, equipped with Michelin X-Ice 3 tires
all around. It was greasy and slippery, being just below freezing with 5
cm/two inches of fresh snow and more coming down. Going along one
principal, six-lane street at about 40 km/h (25 mph), saw a 4WD Kia Sportage
spinning and sliding all over the place on a moderate grade. When we both
stopped - he out of an inability to go forward, me so I wouldn't have him
slide into me - noted that he had old, cheap all-season tires. He wasn't in
a mood to take advice, so I carryied on upgrade with my two wheels pulling,
leaving behind his 4WD to slide gently backwards down the slope...
>
> James in snowy Ottawa.
>
>> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 00:02:16 -0500
>> From: jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM
>> Subject: Re: Syncros. Positractions, Peloquins, and One Wheel Drives
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>
>> Syncros and limited slip differentials really help in the snow and ice,
but most critical are the tires. True summer tires are rarely used up here
in the 'Great White North' (unless you have a full-zoot set of high
performance tires on a sports car), but the year I was posted in Atlanta I
remember being surprised how uncommon even 'all-season' radials were - a lot
of cheap summer tires on sale. And the thing about cheap, long-life summer
tires is that the rubber gets hard, hard, hard when it gets cold - and hard
rubber doesn't have any traction on ice.
>>
>> Softer rubber, with the right tire sipe pattern, can have surprisingly
good traction on ice. I haven't driven our Westy in the snow and ice, but I
have driven a lot of front-drive and rear-drive cars and trucks in snow and
ice. A decent, careful driver in a 2WD car with good 'ice and snow' winter
tires can get through on most icy, snowy roads. 4WD helps, but if the 4WD
has been crippled by not having winter tires, they are no better than 2WD
(and worse, if the driver is overconfident because of 4WD). My favourites
of the really good ice and snow tires are Nokians, Continentals
WinterContact, and Michelin's X-ice series. Studded tires are illegal here
in Ontario, but those three tires all will stop on ice for me.
>>
>> My sympathies to all of you living through the ice and snow in Alabama,
Georgia, etc. While my Canadian neighbours snigger at your plight, I just
remember that most of them would wilt in the 100F with humidity that you
folks live in every summer.
>>
>
>> James
>> Ottawa, ON
>> '91 Multivan Westfalia (Weekender)
>>
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