Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 19:54:22 -0800
Reply-To: "SDF ( Scott Daniel Foss )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: "SDF ( Scott Daniel Foss )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Organization: Cosmic Reminders
Subject: Re: Yet Another Head Pullin' Question.
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Maybe you don't help lots of people work on their vanagons.
I have ..
it's amazing how very little basic aptitude some people have sometimes.
and sure ..I buzz lugs nuts off one at a time sometimes..
but ..if I was doing it by hand...
I could not undo one completely, then the next , then the next ..I just
could not. That's completely contrarary to logic and practicality.
it's ALWAYS .......tighten down evenly in steps, and remove a set of
fasteners evenly in steps.
btw ...one of my sayings .."It takes 3 times longer to do things right."
most car work is rushed..
it's regarded as something to just put up with ..therefore just having
it done, and done 'good enough' is the common goal,
rather than as good as one can possibly get it within reason. That takes
longer ....yup.
I mean........how can people just droop wires across the top of an
engine when installing an aftermarket gauge for example ?
.....'pride of workmanship'. ? semi-.......... don't get me started. :-)
Believe me , for example ....when I take set of wheel and tires ( never
the whole car or van ) for mounting and balancing to a tire store ..
I tell them ...I will pay extra for a CAREFUL job ..
I am not interesting in a FAST job.
'how fast they can do it' ..they're real proud of that in tire stores.
And they make mistakes semi-fairly often.
On 2/9/2014 6:53 PM, Larry Alofs wrote:
> "you don't take 4 wheel lug nuts off leaving the last one at full torque
> ..right ?"
>
> Sure I do. Everybody does. Except maybe SDF :-)
>
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> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:12 PM, SDF ( Scott Daniel Foss ) <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't bother to de-torque them super carefully in order..
>> but I do loosen them all evenly in several steps.
>>
>> it should be obvious that if a group of fastners are fully
>> loosened...the last one will have a lot of pressure on it, making it
>> much harder to undo.
>>
>> on ALL series of fastners ..you loosen them all in roughly equal small
>> steps.
>>
>> you don't take 4 wheel lug nuts off leaving the last one at full torque
>> ..right ? same thing here.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2014 3:26 PM, J Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> Ooooopps, yes I did! News to me they had be de-torqued in a specific
>>> pattern! What damage have I done? It was the head nuts on my spare that
>>> weren't torqued very tight, the ones on the head in the van were very
>>> tight. Jeff Stewart ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>> You need a thin wall 17mm socket. Now please don't tell me you
>>>> loosened and removed all the nuts except for an end corner! Head
>>>> especially on Waterboxers have to be de-torqued just the same as they
>>>> have to be torqued down. If they were somewhat loose than either they
>>>> were not properly installed or the engine was over heated to the point
>>>> the studs stretched and they are now garbage. The head (and even the
>>>> case) may also warped and twisted. This will show up as internal leaks
>>>> with combustion gasses getting into the coolant system.
>>>> Dennis
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of J Stewart
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2014 5:59 PM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Yet Another Head Pullin' Question.
>>>> OK, just the other night I pulled a head off my "spare " 1.9 motor,
>>>> and I can't for the life of me remember how I got the lower rearmost
>>>> head nut off. Now the scary part was, on the spare the head nuts were
>>>> not really tight, the ones on my 1.9 thats IN the van are. They are
>>>> all out except that one, I cannot get a socket on it. TIA, Jeff
>>>> Jeff Stewart
>>>>
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