Date:         Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:06:12 +0000
Reply-To:     J Stewart <fonman4277@COMCAST.NET>
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From:         J Stewart <fonman4277@COMCAST.NET>
Subject:      Re: Changing the Black O Ring On a Cylnder Sleeve...
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I also keep thinking of that old saying, "There is never time to do it right, but there is always time to do it over" Jeff Stewart ----- Original Message -----
> Dennis, What you say makes perfect sense, in fact last night I
> carefully dug the green O ring out of the top of each sleeve, they
> were very hard and came out in little chunks. The (perhaps) misleading
> thing is there is a video at Ben's Place showing him installing the
> black O rings on sleeves that are already on the pistons and on the
> engine, but the engine is out of the van and on a stand and turned
> sideways. My best guess, without asking him, is that he forgot to put
> them on and had already removed the old ones. Because, from what I saw
> last night, there is NO WAY one could slide the sleeve out far enough
> to remove the old O ring (which will no doubt will be as brittle as
> the green ones) A couple of people have told me they don't change the
> the black O ring and haven't had a problem, but I'm sure it is a roll
> of the dice not to do it. Now, the sleeve on #1 is firmly stuck and
> won't budge, #2 stuck to the head and was pulled away about 3/4 of
> inch before I was able to separate it. I wouldn't be so concerned if
> both sleeves were stuck like # 1 is. I had not planned to get as
> involved in this, pulling the sleeves, etc, and perhaps even pulling
> the engine-but I've had many projects over the years (especially on
> VW's) that ended up being a lot more involved than I originally
> planned on! I have limited time to work on it each week, and hoped to
> have it done by time Everybus rolls around in April. Jeff Stewart
> ----- Original Message -----
> > The cylinder base o-ring is at least as old as the head gasket that
> > failed causing you to go there in the first place. If no sign of
> > ever
> > been overheated and you feel lucky leave them in place. Otherwise,
> > pull the pistons so you can also check the rings, The pistons should
> > really be placed back into the cylinders from the top which means
> > you
> > need to address the carbon ring. If you don't replace the rings have
> > the oil tested after about 1,000 miles to make sure no antifreeze is
> > getting by.
> > Dennis
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > Behalf Of J Stewart
> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:05 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Changing the Black O Ring On a Cylnder Sleeve...
> > I'm guessing impossible without pulling the sleeve all the off the
> > piston. I tried it on my spare engine, on #2 (#1 sleeve is already
> > off) and by the time I pulled the sleeve out far enough the lowest
> > ring had popped out. I tried this before doing on my engine that is
> > still in the van with the right head off. I've heard differing
> > opinions about the need to replace that O ring. Thoughts? Personal
> > experiences? I'd love to hear them! Thanks!!
> > Jeff Stewart