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Date:   Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:57:54 -0700
Reply-To:   OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
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From:   OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject:   Re: Engine Starting Problem
Comments:   To: Steven Shelton <shelton4@GMAIL.COM>
In-Reply-To:   <CACK29cmc_kKUm7=nvijup6B2yXhJ+XHE+e1HqD=aM7ekkJCA5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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If you Switch to a 10 or 5 or even 0W** Oil that ColdLifterSyndrome will most probably be diminished or

may even go away completely ~

ORR ~ DeanB

On 25 Feb , 2014, at 2:58 PM, Steven Shelton wrote:

> I drove it around for a while and now the noise is tolerable. I'd never > heard it that loud. I let the oil drain overnight before I refilled it; > maybe that had something to do with it. > > Well, I spent half the day trying to fix a starting problem, didn't find > anything wrong, and now it starts fine. Not very satisfying. Thank you > all for your suggestions, though. Just knowing there are people out there > with a lot more knowledge than I have gives me the confidence to attempt > these repairs. > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:59 PM, JRodgers <jrodgers113@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Having a Mann oil filter will help prevent this. >> >> >> John >> >> On 2/25/2014 2:28 PM, Steven Shelton wrote: >> >>> This is turning into a real nightmare. I reinstalled the AFM; now it >>> starts fine, but the engine makes a loud clattering! It's done this >>> occasionally over the years, but always went away pretty quickly. Now it >>> won't stop. I've gone over it with a stethoscope and it seems to be >>> loudest at the driver's side of the intake air distributor, but it's hard >>> to pinpoint. I disconnected the fuel injector plugs and cranked the >>> engine >>> to see if something was bouncing around in a cylinder, but heard nothing. >>> Can all this be related? It all started off with a shorted oil pressure >>> sensor wire. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Intermittent problems are often elusive. Will it start reliably with the >>>> AFM >>>> disconnected? If yes then you do have a mixture control issue and the >>>> sensor >>>> being disconnected is helping get past it. I would look for massive >>>> vacuum >>>> leaks and wiring issues. Except for the O2 sensor which is a >>>> "consumable", >>>> it is very rare for any of the other sensors to go bad. Again, the >>>> connectors and wiring is more often the real problem. >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >>>> Of >>>> Steven Shelton >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:12 PM >>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>> Subject: Re: Engine Starting Problem >>>> >>>> I meant that the engine turns over and over but it will not start/run. I >>>> checked the intake air sensor (Bentley 1999 edition pg 24.28): >>>> >>>> 2-3 556 >>>> 6-9 557 >>>> 6-22 2697@18 degrees C >>>> 2-3 and 7-9: ohms change as I moved the sensor plate >>>> >>>> Is this a definitive test or could there still be something wrong with >>>> intake air sensor? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Dennis Haynes >>>> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> Cranking and starting are two completely different issues. The starter >>>>> will crank (turn)the engine over if you removed the complete fuel >>>>> delivery system and put it out to the garbage. >>>>> Check the wiring on the back of the starter. The solenoid trigger wire >>>>> may be loose and you're working near there is making or breaking that >>>>> connection. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >>>>> Behalf Of Steven Shelton >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:18 PM >>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>> Subject: Re: Engine Starting Problem >>>>> >>>>> OK, as I said above, the engine would not crank at all, even after >>>>> returning to it using a charged battery the next day. As soon as i >>>>> removed the AFM, even with the #1 spark plug removed, the engine >>>>> cranked right up. >>>>> I checked the ECU connector, with the following results: >>>>> >>>>> 2-7 3213 ohms@16 degrees C >>>>> at this temperature the reading should be 3000 ohm to 3500 ohm. >>>>> I also checked at the temp 2 sensor, it was 3178 ohm. >>>>> >>>>> Other readings were: >>>>> 1-7 10.64 V >>>>> 5-7 infinity >>>>> 6-19 558 ohm >>>>> 7-25 0 ohm >>>>> 11-7 14.9 ohm >>>>> 12-7 15.1 >>>>> 14-6 3154 ohm >>>>> 15-19 555 ohm at rest, it moved up when I moved the plate >>>>> >>>>> Does this mean conclusively that the temp 2 sensor is OK? Any >>>>> suggestions on what to try next? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>


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