Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:33:32 -0600
Reply-To: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Mann Oil Filter and lifters Was:Engine Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <19FD33EA-448C-4D2C-8A88-3B07011C7F8A@shaw.ca>
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I don't even frequent places where those are sold heh heh heh
Jim
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Mobil ! filter works for me as does a Mann.
>
> alistair
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > I don't know about the Mann filter's ability to alter or improve the
> > various things being discussed here, but when my 90 Carat--which I bought
> > new so I knew the history of it--got up there above 160K miles, and I
> used
> > a FLAPS filter, my oil warning buzzer sometimes came on during extended
> > highway runs. With a "german" filter, it did not. The fact that this
> seems
> > to happen as well to other Vanagon owners as well might account in itself
> > for why they are recommended as being the "right" stuff.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Good point. But, people who deem themselves knowledgeable sure extol
> the
> >> importance of this oil filter feature. mcneely
> >>
> >> ---- Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>> I've never been clear about what the heck an anti drain back valve does
> >> on an oil filter that is pointing more or less down as it does on the
> wbx.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe it is an anti suck up valve?
> >>>
> >>> Alistair
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The filter will work with any oil. The filter has an anti drain back
> >> valve. So do a lot of other quality filters, and some that are not so
> >> good, at least I hear that they are not so good. Given the good marks
> >> given to both Mann and Meyle oil filters by a lot of people who know
> more
> >> than I do, and their availability and price from the online Vanagon
> parts
> >> vendors, I use them. mcneely
> >>>>
> >>>> ---- Eric Caron <ecaron1@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> >>>>> My van sits a long time between starts. How would this filter help
> >> and would it work with mobile 1 Synthetic?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eric Caron
> >>>>> 85 GL Auto
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Having a Mann oil filter will help prevent this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2/25/2014 2:28 PM, Steven Shelton wrote:
> >>>>>>> This is turning into a real nightmare. I reinstalled the AFM; now
> >> it
> >>>>>>> starts fine, but the engine makes a loud clattering! It's done
> this
> >>>>>>> occasionally over the years, but always went away pretty quickly.
> >> Now it
> >>>>>>> won't stop. I've gone over it with a stethoscope and it seems to
> be
> >>>>>>> loudest at the driver's side of the intake air distributor, but
> >> it's hard
> >>>>>>> to pinpoint. I disconnected the fuel injector plugs and cranked
> >> the engine
> >>>>>>> to see if something was bouncing around in a cylinder, but heard
> >> nothing.
> >>>>>>> Can all this be related? It all started off with a shorted oil
> >> pressure
> >>>>>>> sensor wire.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Dennis Haynes <
> >> d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Intermittent problems are often elusive. Will it start reliably
> >> with the
> >>>>>>>> AFM
> >>>>>>>> disconnected? If yes then you do have a mixture control issue and
> >> the
> >>>>>>>> sensor
> >>>>>>>> being disconnected is helping get past it. I would look for
> >> massive vacuum
> >>>>>>>> leaks and wiring issues. Except for the O2 sensor which is a
> >> "consumable",
> >>>>>>>> it is very rare for any of the other sensors to go bad. Again, the
> >>>>>>>> connectors and wiring is more often the real problem.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dennis
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> >> Behalf Of
> >>>>>>>> Steven Shelton
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:12 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Engine Starting Problem
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I meant that the engine turns over and over but it will not
> >> start/run. I
> >>>>>>>> checked the intake air sensor (Bentley 1999 edition pg 24.28):
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2-3 556
> >>>>>>>> 6-9 557
> >>>>>>>> 6-22 2697@18 degrees C
> >>>>>>>> 2-3 and 7-9: ohms change as I moved the sensor plate
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is this a definitive test or could there still be something wrong
> >> with
> >>>>>>>> intake air sensor?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Dennis Haynes
> >>>>>>>> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cranking and starting are two completely different issues. The
> >> starter
> >>>>>>>>> will crank (turn)the engine over if you removed the complete fuel
> >>>>>>>>> delivery system and put it out to the garbage.
> >>>>>>>>> Check the wiring on the back of the starter. The solenoid trigger
> >> wire
> >>>>>>>>> may be loose and you're working near there is making or breaking
> >> that
> >>>>>>>>> connection.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dennis
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Steven Shelton
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:18 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Engine Starting Problem
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> OK, as I said above, the engine would not crank at all, even
> after
> >>>>>>>>> returning to it using a charged battery the next day. As soon as
> >> i
> >>>>>>>>> removed the AFM, even with the #1 spark plug removed, the engine
> >>>>>>>>> cranked right up.
> >>>>>>>>> I checked the ECU connector, with the following results:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2-7 3213 ohms@16 degrees C
> >>>>>>>>> at this temperature the reading should be 3000 ohm to 3500 ohm.
> >>>>>>>>> I also checked at the temp 2 sensor, it was 3178 ohm.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Other readings were:
> >>>>>>>>> 1-7 10.64 V
> >>>>>>>>> 5-7 infinity
> >>>>>>>>> 6-19 558 ohm
> >>>>>>>>> 7-25 0 ohm
> >>>>>>>>> 11-7 14.9 ohm
> >>>>>>>>> 12-7 15.1
> >>>>>>>>> 14-6 3154 ohm
> >>>>>>>>> 15-19 555 ohm at rest, it moved up when I moved the plate
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Does this mean conclusively that the temp 2 sensor is OK? Any
> >>>>>>>>> suggestions on what to try next?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> David McNeely
> >>
> >> --
> >> David McNeely
> >>
>
>
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