Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:49:17 -0800
Reply-To: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
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From: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure warnings, WAS: Mann Oil Filter and lifters
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Fingers please do my bidding correctly this time....
14.5038 X 0.3 = 4.35
Alistair
> On Mar 2, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA> wrote:
>
> You still don't have it right.
>
> 1 bar = 14.5038 psi
> 14.5038 X 0.03 = 4.35
>
> Alistair
>
>> On Mar 2, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> 14.1 psi = 1 bar. 14.1 x .3 = 4.23. I stand corrected.
>>
>> Dennis,
>> From my phone.
>> ________________________________
>> From: Chris S.<mailto:szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM>
>> Sent: 3/2/2014 7:30 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Oil pressure warnings, WAS: Mann Oil Filter and lifters
>>
>> Isn't the low pressure switch .3 bar? 1 bar = 14.5 psi?
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> Wysłane z iPhone'a
>>
>> Dnia Mar 1, 2014 o godz. 22:55 Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> napisał(a):
>>
>>> I think some are missing the main point of the dual oil pressure warning
>>> system. The low pressure switch is activated at around 3 psi. On the
>>> Waterboxer the high pressure switch is ~12.6 psi. On the inline engines the
>>> high pressure switch is ~ 25 psi. Having only the low pressure really means
>>> that at speed it is no longer an oil pressure warning indicator but a
>>> replace engine indicator. Unfortunately the engine would let you know
>>> something was wrong by the strange noises, loss of power, the sudden smoke
>>> screen as a rod exited the case.
>>>
>>> If your engine can't maintain 12.6 psi at 2,000 rpm you do have a problem.
>>> Now with the water boxer it is possible to get the oil so hot that the
>>> viscosity drops to the point that you will get the buzzer and there may be
>>> nothing wrong except for that high oil temp. However that is still not a
>>> healthy situation over the long term. If your driving style or needs are
>>> such that this is problem then a good fix is a well-designed oil cooling
>>> system. I am convinced that the oil cooler is the main reason I have had
>>> such good luck with the engine in Fun Bus.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
>>> mark drillock
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:35 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Oil pressure warnings, WAS: Mann Oil Filter and lifters
>>>
>>> I think the biggest improvement was making the oil warning led a blinking
>>> warning to better get the driver's attention. The second oil switch I agree
>>> is of debatable value except it allowed for a loud warning buzzer to be
>>> added to really get the driver's attention while driving. I might be happier
>>> with just a 1 switch setup if it was combined with a buzzer that triggered
>>> whenever the warning light came on while the engine was running. An oil
>>> pressure gauge is not a viable substitute for a warning light but does its
>>> uses as an additional item though I know of many people who added one only
>>> to have IT be the source of trouble.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Stuart MacMillan wrote:
>>>> Interesting. But what's that good for other than causing anxiety?
>>>> Without a gauge to monitor pressure under various conditions it's
>>>> completely useless IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mark drillock [mailto:mdrillock@cox.net]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 4:36 PM
>>>> To: Stuart MacMillan; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mann Oil Filter and lifters Was:Engine Starting Problem
>>>>
>>>> This supposed correlation of the new dynamic oil warning system with
>>>> some weakness in the 2.1 ignores the fact that VW began fitting the
>>>> more complex dual oil switch system to all their vehicles in roughly
>>>> the same time frame. The major makeover to the electrical system
>>>> beginning in 86 Vanagons was merely a convenient point in time to also
>>>> add the same modernized oil warning system that many of their other
>>>> cars got the year before.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stuart MacMillan wrote:
>>>>> .....
>>>>> If you want to really know what's going on with your engine and
>>>>> bearings, install an oil pressure guage. Ignorance is not bliss with
>>>>> waterboxers, especially with the 2.1s! VW knew this, and that's why
>>>>> they installed two pressure sensing systems. .....
>>>>
>>>>
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