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Date:         Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:08:53 -0400
Reply-To:     Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Brakes-
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Think I know the ones except I have yet to see them with the springs. I really use nothing but the ATE so I haven't tried the off brand stuff recently. They should last about two years or a few good panic stops. The rubber parts fail.

Dennis

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Craig Cowan Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Brakes-

Not meyle. I believe it's an Italian brand. They were about $10 each. Every one has the spring.

-craig

> On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think you got lucky with Meyle. GW sells the ATE for $19.95. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > Behalf Of Craig Cowan > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:09 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Brakes- > > There are other brands then the ATE with the spring. I just had a set > from ken willford (vanagain) that were well priced and did have the > spring, I have found them to work as well as the ATE and OEM ones. Let > me see If I can figure out the brand. > > -craig > >>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:46 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> >> wrote: >> >> I know others have chimed in. the usual cause of this effect is the >> combination of the shoes not adjusting properly and the wrong wheel >> cylinders. The only cylinders I know of that have the piston push out >> spring is the ATE. Even if you go to the dealer they will likely >> supply the Brazilian sourced cylinders and they will not have the >> spring. The pistons sucking back will cause the low pedal and >> require a pump them out every time until some age makes them get >> stiff enough to stay out on their own. Many cars used residual >> pressure checks on the hydraulics to counter act this effect. Also, >> since the cylinders and the adjusters are on the same side of the >> shoes, the cylinder pistons have to stay out further as the shoes >> wear and the adjusters push > them out. >> >> The next issue is the lining thickness. I have yet to find a shoe set >> that replaces the OEM. The originals were a semi-metallic lining, >> riveted, and 6mm above the rivets. The thinner material of the >> replacement shoes means the drum does not get filled and the arch >> does not match. This causes the shoes to only wear and provide >> friction at the top. This seriously reduces the braking effect. The >> lower shoes rests can be shimmed out. Go check the archives for >> articles I have posted > in the past. >> >> While rare another cause of this problem can be the rear brake >> pressure regulator. I have replaced a few. >> >> Dennis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >> Behalf Of Geneva Saint-Amour >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:52 AM >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> Subject: Brakes- >> >> Hey there! >> We recently replaced the rear brake pads and discovered a leaky cylinder. >> So we took it to BrakeMasters for new cylinders (and new drums). >> Just picked it up and the brakes feel great and grippy..... but the >> first pedal-push is smooshy and close to the floor. The second pedal >> push seems to "pump it up" and feel higher. Ideas, suggestions? >> 1985 Vanagon/Westfalia/Hightop/Bostig


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