Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:39:58 -0700
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From: Old Volks Home <oldvolkshome@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Brakes-
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Several years ago, ATE moved much of their European manufacturing to Italy
and much of that was subcontracted out to local manufacturing concerns, so
an Italian made non ATE branded cylinder with the spring is very possible
as Craig as noted. Don't know the brand myself, but it could be the same
sub-contracter that makes them for ATE and boxes them in ATE boxes for
their distribution as well as in their own brand name box.
Another very good example is the ATE themselves don't manufacture disc
rotors or drums anymore in their own facilities. They're all made by an
Italian firm known as OMC and distributed in both the familiar blue ATE
boxes or in OMC's own branded boxes. Same boxes and some of the time
similar prices. Quality is excellent, I have a pair of OMC boxed drums on
my GL.
Now Brazil Varga (once owned by ATE - now TRW) do not come with springs and
work fine on the 72-79 Bay Windows because the spring is not needed as the
manual adjusters are on the side opposite the cylinder - no need for the
spring. Originally sold as 211 611 047 D. Far eastern made cylinders are
this way as well. The cylinder with the spring is sold as 211 611 047 F
and as it has been noted, the spring is definitely needed for Vanagon
applications because of the self adjusting make up on these models. The
problem is that Varga, the far eastern manufacturers, the
importer/distributor and end consumer vendors are marketing the 047 D as
047 F and therein lies the problem for the unknowing Vanagon owner when he
or she unsuspectingly thinks they have found a great deal in buying them
only to run into the problem described in this thread.
Jim Thompson
84 GL 1.9 "Gloria"
84 Westfalia 2.1 "Ole Putt"
72 411 Station Wagon "Pug"
75 914 1.8 "Nancy"
Full Timing From March 1999 To January 2012
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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Craig Cowan <phishman068@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not meyle. I believe it's an Italian brand. They were about $10 each.
> Every one has the spring.
>
> -craig
>
> > On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think you got lucky with Meyle. GW sells the ATE for $19.95.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Craig Cowan
> > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:09 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Brakes-
> >
> > There are other brands then the ATE with the spring. I just had a set
> from
> > ken willford (vanagain) that were well priced and did have the spring, I
> > have found them to work as well as the ATE and OEM ones. Let me see If I
> can
> > figure out the brand.
> >
> > -craig
> >
> >>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:46 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know others have chimed in. the usual cause of this effect is the
> >> combination of the shoes not adjusting properly and the wrong wheel
> >> cylinders. The only cylinders I know of that have the piston push out
> >> spring is the ATE. Even if you go to the dealer they will likely
> >> supply the Brazilian sourced cylinders and they will not have the
> >> spring. The pistons sucking back will cause the low pedal and require
> >> a pump them out every time until some age makes them get stiff enough
> >> to stay out on their own. Many cars used residual pressure checks on
> >> the hydraulics to counter act this effect. Also, since the cylinders
> >> and the adjusters are on the same side of the shoes, the cylinder
> >> pistons have to stay out further as the shoes wear and the adjusters
> push
> > them out.
> >>
> >> The next issue is the lining thickness. I have yet to find a shoe set
> >> that replaces the OEM. The originals were a semi-metallic lining,
> >> riveted, and 6mm above the rivets. The thinner material of the
> >> replacement shoes means the drum does not get filled and the arch does
> >> not match. This causes the shoes to only wear and provide friction at
> >> the top. This seriously reduces the braking effect. The lower shoes
> >> rests can be shimmed out. Go check the archives for articles I have
> posted
> > in the past.
> >>
> >> While rare another cause of this problem can be the rear brake
> >> pressure regulator. I have replaced a few.
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Geneva Saint-Amour
> >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:52 AM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Brakes-
> >>
> >> Hey there!
> >> We recently replaced the rear brake pads and discovered a leaky
> cylinder.
> >> So we took it to BrakeMasters for new cylinders (and new drums). Just
> >> picked it up and the brakes feel great and grippy..... but the first
> >> pedal-push is smooshy and close to the floor. The second pedal push
> >> seems to "pump it up" and feel higher. Ideas, suggestions?
> >> 1985 Vanagon/Westfalia/Hightop/Bostig
>
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