Date:         Sat, 5 Jul 2014 00:05:09 -0600
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From:         OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject:      Re: Coolant question
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                Dave

        You might try Googleing "Water soluble cutting oil" & do some reading ~ Here are some ShortCuts ~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_fluid

http://www.fuchslubricants.com/water-soluble

http://www.ashburnchemical.com/soluble-oils.html

        & in most (If not all) automotive H2OPumps there is a Minuscule amount coolant that does find its way

into the ShaftBearing & is actually necessary as a Lubricant ~ which is 1 reason why it is Recommended to

NOT use PlainH2O as a Coolant ~

                                                                                        ORR ~ DeanB

On 4 Jul , 2014, at 7:47 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:

> Scott, what part of the water pump are you lubing with the oil?  No internal parts of the pump are exposed to the coolant, only the impeller.  If you mean by "successfully treated" that you have put the oil in and the vehicles did not fail for a while after, well, hmmm....... .  That is hardly a controlled experiment to test the hypothesis that cutting oil lubricates the pump.  So far as I know, all cutting oils are non-polar like most oils, that is not soluble in water.  mcneely
> 
> ---- "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>> never have experienced that.
>> maybe it's because I had a small amount of water soluble
>> oil...machinist's cutting oil ( not all version of that stuff are water
>> soluble I recently found out ) . ..
>> this as a water pump lube and anti-corrosion additive.  25 yrs and
>> hundreds of vehicles successfully treated this way.
>> 
>> 'It's all about stopping, treating, and preventing corrosion' ..
>> particularly in cooling system and electrical connections.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/4/2014 11:03 AM, Jeff Schwaia wrote:
>>> Be careful with Water Wetter.  It will leave a residue after a while.
>>> 
>>> Google "Water Wetter Brown" or "Water Wetter Slime"
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
>>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 12:21 AM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: Coolant question
>>> 
>>> that is adddressed clearly right on the side of a bottle of Water Wetter..
>>> they site a dino test ,
>>> using plain water,
>>> plain water with water wetter,
>>> 50/50 a-frz mix,
>>> and that mix with water wetter.
>>> 
>>> water with water wetter cools best..
>>> they also mention that an anti-frz misture of less than 50/50 ( less a-frz ) cools better than 50/50.
>>> 
>>> it works too.
>>> 
>>> had this happen ..
>>> 85 Adventurewagon , 2.1 waterboxer engine stock 1.9 cooling system ..
>>> but I added the 2.1 type oil cooler..
>>> and water wetter..
>>> went on a 1,500 or so mile trip ..
>>> my temp needle was glued dead in the middle of the temp gauge scale ..
>>> hills or speed didn't make the needle budge.
>>> On 7/3/2014 2:05 PM, Don Hanson wrote:
>>>> Water Wetter does work.  I used it in my racer, also and when the
>>>> cooling system is maxxed out, it raises the Max a significant amount.
>>>>     Vanagons usually don't have an over heating problem...unless
>>>> something isn't quite right...In that situation, Water Wetter might be worthwhile,
>>>> but normally they seem to cool just fine without it.   Can't hurt, I
>>>> guess...but at the track you aren't running glycol
>>>> antifreeze/coolant...usually just water is required...so water wetter
>>>> has a real purpose...it helps plain water exchange heat better...in an
>>>> antifreeze mix, probably not so much..
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Michael Magnani
>>>> <mfmagnani@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I followed with interest the illuminating thread regarding vanagon
>>>>> cooling systems and I'd like to pose one more question. Has anyone
>>>>> used Redline Water Wetter in their WBX? We use it in the Sprint Car I
>>>>> crew on, as do all the other racers in the pits. Granted, we're
>>>>> running a 700 HP, 360 cu in Chevy V8 that runs on alcohol, but the
>>>>> concept is the same: improving the efficiency of the cooling system. Any thoughts or opinions?
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> 
> --
> David McNeely