Date:         Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:06:44 -0700
Reply-To:     PB <pbrattan@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         PB <pbrattan@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Don't top off gas tanks
In-Reply-To:  <83B17F02-105E-4DDD-BB16-20952486E97F@comcast.net>
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Great thread!  I've been meaning to ask about this.  When I put gas in my
90 Westy automatic, the pump doesn't stop, and the gas spills out exactly
as if I had attempted to top it off.  It wasn't always this way, but it
seems to be getting worse each time.  What needs to be fixed?  I guess in
the meantime I guess I should aim for a 3/4 tank "fillup," and not wait for
the pump to stop. After the spilled gas dries, there are no fumes. I live
in Cali, where the pumps are all self-service.
Patti
90 Westy automatic


On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:30 PM, OlRivrRat <olrivrrat@comcast.net> wrote:

>                 James
>
>         Actually the Vanagon Evap'System is designed to deal with
> LiquidGasoline ~ Each ExpansionTank has a ReturnHose from its low
>
> point back to the GasTank & in a lot of cases it is ThoseHosesAlone that
> are the Cause of The GasFumeSmell on FillUp even if you don't
>
> TopItOff as their ConnectionPoint to the GasTank is FairlyLow ~
>
>
>
>
>
>               ORR ~ DeanB
>
> On 15 Aug , 2014, at 4:17 PM, James wrote:
>
> > Dean,
> >
> > Frank Condelli found one of the two plastic vapor canisters above the
> front wheels was cracked this spring and he patched it, as those beasties
> are NLA.  Haven't had the other one down to look at it.
> >
> > But this is not first vehicle I've had that gives gas fumes after
> refuelling if the tank is filled too high - have had that with other VWs,
> Toyotas, a Dodge, and my mother's Pontiac.  Filling a gas tank to the brim
> just overwhelms the evaporative emissions system, which is designed to
> control a certain amount of vapor, not liquid.
> >
> > James
> > Ottawa, ON
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:41:17 -0600
> > > From: OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET
> > > Subject: Re: Don't top off gas tanks
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > If all of your GasTank & ExpansionTank Seals&Grommets&ConnectingHoses
> are In GoodShape & DoingTheirJob Properly you ShouldNot
> > >
> > > get any GasFumeSmells even if you FillItToTheBrim ~ You should look
> into what might be leaking & get it replaced or Just Do a Complete G'T'
> > >
> > > Reseal ~
> > >
> > > ORR ~ DeanB
> > >
> > > On 13 Aug , 2014, at 1:09 PM, James wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Roy,
> > > >
> > > > If you read your owner's manual, you are NOT supposed to 'top off'
> the tank in a Vanagon - you are to stop fueling when the pump kicks out the
> first time, according to VW. There's very little vertical height between
> the top of the gas tank in our beloved vans and the evaporation control
> tanks and gear - I asssume that's why the warning. Certainly on our '91 if
> I top off the tank (only did it once) I get strong gas fumes, but if I stop
> when the pump kicks out, then the fumes don't happen (except on really hot
> days, if I park soon after fueling).
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > > Ottawa, ON
> > > >
> > > >> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 02:34:18 -0300
> > > >> From: RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA
> > > >> Subject: Fresh water tank leaking via vent.
> > > >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > >>
> > > >> All,
> > > >>
> > > >> I seem to recall very topic being posted to the list not that long
> ago, but seem unable to find it searching my Vanagon folder ... I apologise
> in advance for the redundancy.
> > > >>
> > > >> The 3.5 year old and I have been on the road for almost a week in
> our new-to-us '88 Westfalia ... which my son has aptly and affectionately
> named "The Hyena" {Sorry Don.}. Things are well mechanically thus far - the
> only issue is the lines to the overflow tanks need to be replaced. I bought
> some line in Calgary and will attend to it, the first chance I get. In the
> interim, you stop filling when the pump kicks out.
>



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