Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 07:00:17 -0800
Reply-To: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure ?
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Yes, I know, it's a "tough deal" to all involved., That doesn't change
the fact of the motor not behaving properly for the customer who paid
rather large money to get it into his van. He was rightly expecting that
by paying a premium, he would have worry-free travel in his van. ~3000
miles on a new motor and now low oil pressure? Go Westie won't be pleased
with that...it could certainly damage their reputation if they don't handle
the problem..
I Were it me, I would be consulting with the supplier to see what he would
like to have me do with it. Being clear cross the US from the source,
that is unfortunate, but it is reality. It's going to need fixing and
someone will be out some money.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> No one simply brings an engine back to the supplier. Removal and
> re-installation along with round trip shipping make this a $2k decision
> someone has to commit to.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Dennis Jowell
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:22 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Oil pressure ?
>
> Good thought! GOWESTY is in California we live in the Northeast Kingdom
> section of Vermont.
> Onto Burlington and Noah's shop now before more snow shows up.
>
> Dennis Jowell
> Scotch Hollow Farm
> Newbury Vermont
>
> > On Nov 23, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > One more thing to consider...The sandwich oil cooler adapter plate you
> installed to get a connection to your VDO gauge....I found one of those
> came
> to me out of the package with somewhat restricted oil passages...the
> castings of the sandwich plate had not been properly cleaned up when it was
> taken from the molds and there was a partially restricted area in the plate
> itself. Since your motor was indicating low OP before you added the plate
> and gauge, this is probably not the main issue, but when you do take the
> motor to GO Westie for inspection and diagnosing you should ask them to
> check the sandwich plate adapter when they are inside....
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I haven't read every post carefully but it sounds to me like you have a
> problem with the motor, not a problem with all the gauges and warnings.
> You seem to have done all the right things to assure yourself that what
> your
> gauges buzzers and lights say is true. You seem to have Low Oil Pressure
> with that motor. If it was only the stock WBX OP indicators lighting and
> buzzing...one might have reason to doubt those (you may have done, and
> added the real OP gauge) but you are seeing the same indications from both
> your aftermarket and your WBX gauges and it seems unlikely that two
> different systems indicating the same conditions could both be indicating
> falsely.
> >>
> >> You recently paid for an expensive rebuilt engine and now it seems,
> without much doubt, to be showing inadequate oil pressure. If it was my
> motor I would be consulting with the shop that sold it to me, I've not
> dealt with Go Westie but I understand from reading here for some time that
> they are considered to be reputable.. I'd try to make arrangements with
> them to take care of this problem...It's an actual problem, if you are
> worrying about it. Your new expensive motor is at the low end of the range
> for acceptable oil pressure. I'd take it back to them and ask them to
> get
> it right. They should take care of the issues for you.
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Dennis Jowell <dennisjowell@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
> >>> The seal that was replaced was the pulley seal close to the oil pump
> cover and that seal area was also resealed. Noah's shop also added a small
> gasket at the pump cover which had none except a silicone type sealant was
> used from GOWESTY. I tried 2 different OP blue pressure switches with the
> same results happening.
> >>>
> >>> Dennis Jowell
> >>> Scotch Hollow Farm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > On Nov 23, 2014, at 12:22 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com
> >
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I would be concerned that the problem started after replacing the
> rear
> seal.
> >>> > I would also be concerned that the seal had to be replaced on a new
> engine.
> >>> > Something is wrong. Are we talking the rear seal as in the pulley
> >>> > seal or the flywheel seal? Or was is the oil pump cover seal? Then
> >>> > I would suspect the wrong gasket was installed.
> >>> >
> >>> > One thing I would do is get the rear oil pressure switch from the
> dealer.
> >>> > The aftermarket ones including the OEM looking Meyle stuff is junk
> >>> > and they are all over the place. The newer dealer switches have
> >>> > also been redesigned with more band between setting on and releasing
> to help prevent the falsies.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Dennis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> >>> > Behalf Of Dennis Jowell
> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 7:00 PM
> >>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>> > Subject: Re: Oil pressure ?
> >>> >
> >>> > New filter, oil is 20w50 NAPA, oil level is slightly less than 1/2
> >>> > on the stick. Pressure does rise off idle. Not to sure if oil
> >>> > cooler is working or how to check it out. It was 20 out during the
> >>> > 80 mile trip back an forth from the farm. Could there be an oil
> >>> > pump problem on the new 2.2 engine? The oil pump pressure was
> >>> > tested by Noah when the rear seal started to leak and he replaced
> >>> > the seal. Then the trouble with the light/ buzzer syndrome started.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Dennis Jowell
> >>> > Scotch Hollow Farm
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >>> On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Dennis Haynes
> >>> >>> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What viscosity oil are you using? 22 psi at 3,600 RPM is low
> >>> >> especially for a new engine. Any chance you are over filling it?
> >>> >> Clogged or otherwise restricted filter? Is the oil cooler
> >>> >> working? The
> >>> >> 6 psi at idle is also low but not that uncommon Pressure should
> >>> >> rise quickly above idle. 28 psi at
> >>> >> 3800 is considered a wear limit unless there are extenuating
> >>> >> circumstances such as after a prolonged high speed drive.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Dennis
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> >>> >> Behalf Of Dennis Jowell
> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:50 PM
> >>> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>> >> Subject: Oil pressure ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> After installing my new VDO electric oil gauge I finally took my
> >>> >> 88 Westy out this afternoon for a test ride. Driving the
> >>> >> interstate at 65 mph, oil is at 22 psi, drove for another 40
> >>> >> miles down to the exit ramp and oil pressure light/buzzer goes off
> at
> the end of the ramp.
> >>> >> PSI was at 6 at 900 rpm's. Is this common? Or is there a problem
> >>> >> with my new GOWESTY engine that has 3000+ miles on it ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Dennis Jowell
> >>> >> Scotch Hollow Farm
> >
>
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