Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 21:52:14 -0600
Reply-To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
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From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
Subject: Re: German, Chinese and American Parts
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Sure, you perpetuate your myths and I'll perpetuate mine, and at the end of the day we are both probably somewhat right. I never said the British Government had no skin in this and Labor Unions don't organize in a vacuum. But the Brittan's Management and Government's faults leading to strong unions does not negate the damage those Unions did to their auto industry in the 1970's. They lost the race by not competing with the Japanese and Germans and that is the Union's fault. Would it be any different if their unions were not so strong? We will never know!
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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of Alistair Bell
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 9:32 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: German, Chinese and American Parts
Yeah sure, perpetuate the myth of British labour unions being "the" issue. Fact is that management and government failures are the root of the problem.
Easy to blame labour, always an easy target. Men and women in the line protesting and taking job action. Thinking it through will make you realize that blaming labour for the demise of the uk auto industry is a superficial analysis.
You can tell where my roots are, socialist christian activists protesting since the 20's. God knows we need more like them now.
Alistair
> On Dec 2, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET> wrote:
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> Jim,
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> Lucas made great parts for everyone else but their British customers. In the 1970’s, Labor Unions had a strangle hold on the British auto industry and they were forced to buy from only British suppliers. Not only did Lucas make crappy electronics because they did not have to improve for their own, the British steel was also so bad that just about every British car made in the 1970’s has rotted away.
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> And BTW, I’m not pro or against unions. My Wife is a UAW Employee benefits rep. The threat of a union is a great thing because just like greedy unions, there are also greedy business owners. To have a viable union threat you must have healthy unions which means that someone has to be unionized.
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> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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> From: Jim Felder [mailto:jim.felder@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 7:20 PM
> To: Tom Hargrave
> Subject: Re: German, Chinese and American Parts
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> Here's one for you... on a VW diesel 1.6 engine, pull off the flange that secures the intermediate shaft seal. Chances are pretty good that it says "Made in England."
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> And you thought your Lucas days were behind you.
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> Jim
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> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net <mailto:thargrav@hiwaay.net> > wrote:
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> I noticed from the Rock Auto thread that some believe most parts are
> made in China? For modern production car glass that might be true but
> I bet that Vanagon replacement glass is probably made here in the USA.
> Actually, a lot of things are made here - we still do more manufacturing than China today.
> All of the high volume low cost comes from China.
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> Oh, and on the German Parts comment? You'd be surprised at how little
> of your Vanagon is German! And for proof, pull one of your front wheel
> bearings. If it's original it will be stamped "Made in Japan".
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> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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