Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 23:14:55 -0500
Reply-To: James <jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: James <jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: 87 Westy 2WD -- only reverse gear in automatic transmission
works
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I have heard that almost any Audi 3 speed automatic from 1980-1990 would be an 090.
James
'91 Westy Weekender Auto
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 18:22:35 -0800
> From: rickdcooper@GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: 87 Westy 2WD -- only reverse gear in automatic transmission works
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
> Thanks guys for these leads. I'll follow them up tomorrow.
>
> Is there a list somewhere of what other VW vehicles had auto transmissions
> with identical (or almost) internals to the Vanagon 090? If I knew which
> cars to look for when calling auto wreckers, I'd be in a better position to
> find a used one. (I'm guessing we may have to go that route at least for
> the missing bearing).
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ed's Transmissions in Seattle is a VW factory authorized shop and does a
> > lot of these. You might check with Chuck there. Worst case, bring it down
> > and have him rebuild it for about $2k. Save the shipping (and core charge)
> > from GT Bend at least.
> > http://www.edstransmissionnorthgate.com/
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> > Of Rick Cooper
> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 9:04 AM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: 87 Westy 2WD -- only reverse gear in automatic transmission
> > works
> >
> > Thanks for the replies. Robert, I checked those websites again. Don't
> > think that wittrans has any of the parts, but looks like makco may have the
> > washers. No sign of the bearing or the shims on either site. Today is
> > Sunday, so I'll call those places tomorrow. I did call GTA, but since
> > these parts are in short supply, they are reluctant to sell them as parts
> > since they need them for future rebuilds. Can't argue with that.
> >
> > I'm surprised the shims are hard to come by since they sound pretty basic.
> > If anyone knows of a supplier for those, please let me know.
> >
> > The bearing may have to come out of a used transmission, so I'm looking
> > for one in my area (Victoria, BC).
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Robert Fisher <garciasghostvw@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Did you look (or call) the companies at the two links I sent you
> > > above? I think I saw the thrust washers on the Makco site (I don't
> > > have my docs at hand so I wasn't looking up part #s). If you have the
> > > part numbers they could probably help you out.
> > > I don't recall there being anything special about the shims - they're
> > > basically a washer, but obviously the i/o diameters matter and such.
> > > They come in different thicknesses, and you have to measure your gap
> > > and get the right combination of shims to match. Last time I saw them
> > > (don't remember
> > > where) you could buy an assortment. I've had about three different
> > > trannys so I just mixed and matched from those. Btw, this trans was
> > > used in a ton of VWs over the years, so finding a used one shouldn't be
> > a big deal.
> > > If you can't get any joy from those two places, I'd call German
> > > Transaxle and see if they could hook you up. I don't think their
> > > business is in parts, per se, and it probably doesn't help their
> > > business to assist people that aren't using their business, but I've
> > > found them to be helpful when I've called. If they can't sell you
> > > parts directly perhaps they could point you to a source.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Rick Cooper <rickdcooper@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I decided against tackling the rebuild of my ('87 2WD Westy)
> > >> automatic transmission and took into a local transmission shop.
> > >> They've a great reputation locally but are not VW specialists.
> > >>
> > >> Turns out I need three parts that they have not been able to source:
> > >> 1) the two plastic thrust washers (oil pump - direct clutch drum, and
> > >> between the direct and forward clutch drums); 2) the bearing between
> > >> the forward planetary gear set and the forward clutch; and 3) the
> > >> shims that control the final drive-transmission endplay (there were
> > >> no shims at all found in my tranny). I've put in a few calls but
> > >> have had no luck either -- it appears the VW stopped manufacturing
> > >> these pieces just a couple of years ago.
> > >>
> > >> I can buy a used Rabbit transmission that may have these parts but
> > >> that seems a risky (and expensive) option. I'm feeling a bit
> > >> desperate. Does anyone have any ideas where I might find these parts?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Rick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Robert Fisher
> > >> <garciasghostvw@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> You'll have to take it apart. All kinds of nooks and crannies with
> > >>> gunk in them. Also springs and little BBs. I looked at that as a
> > >>> whole separate evolution from the rest of the tranny, and even did
> > >>> it in a different place. Lots of light and quiet. I used carb
> > >>> cleaner and picks on the thing; some of that stuff was almost fused in
> > those channels.
> > >>>
> > >>> The tranny rebuild was a new experience for me and I was pretty
> > >>> paranoid about screwing it up, but as it turned out it was pretty
> > straightforward.
> > >>> I'd had brake jobs that were worse in terms of difficulty and
> > aggravation.
> > >>> As I said: Lots and lots of pics. There's a set online somewhere,
> > >>> and I still have mine if all else fails. Put 'em on a laptop in
> > >>> order and reassemble going in reverse and it helps (or at least it
> > >>> helped me.) :)
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Rick Cooper <rickdcooper@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Thanks gents for all the feedback and different perspectives. I
> > >>>> pulled the tranny yesterday and think I'll take a shot a taking it
> > >>>> apart. Thanks also for the links Robert, I hadn't come accross
> > wittrans.com before.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do I really need to dismantle the valve body or is there some other
> > >>>> way to get any gunk out? I am planning to replace the TC. Even
> > >>>> with that, hopefully I can get this done for less than $500 as
> > >>>> opposed to the $2000 plus for a professionally rebuilt unit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Rick
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Robert Fisher <
> > >>>> garciasghostvw@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> It doesn't require any special tools - you need to set the brake
> > >>>>> band tension in inch pounds, but that's about it. If you've
> > >>>>> rebuilt engines you can do this, and I'm 98% sure that you are
> > >>>>> correct in that it's the forward clutch.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Earlier today I described the process to someone as "painstaking".
> > >>>>> You have to be particularly clean and well-organized. The fluid in
> > >>>>> the case and internals will want to get all over everything. I did
> > >>>>> most of my work in a large Rubbermaid bin lid lined with plastic.
> > >>>>> I took a picture every time I did something - every stage, every
> > time (and it saved my ass later).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You may want to go in for a reconditioned valve body if it appears
> > >>>>> to need it (how many miles are on this tranny, do you know?). It
> > >>>>> isn't necessarily likely, but it's an option. Cleaning the VB
> > >>>>> requires the most care and attention (and lint free cloths) imo.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I would always replace the TC in doing this - the one you have is
> > >>>>> full of friction lining material and other crap that you won't be
> > >>>>> able to get out; it's my pet theory that that's the stuff that
> > >>>>> causes the cold shifting problem these things get right before
> > >>>>> they die (choking up the vanes in the TC until it gets warm(er) and
> > they free up).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The last time I got parts for an overhaul I got them from
> > >>>>> www.makcotransmissionparts.com and www.wittrans.com (I think
> > >>>>> because I couldn't get everything at one place). The standard
> > >>>>> rebuild kit doesn't quite have everything you need, so you need to
> > make a comprehensive list.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Alternately, you could get a rebuilt from German Transaxle (which
> > >>>>> is of course much more expensive than rolling your own).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Keep us posted!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Rick Cooper
> > >>>>> <rickdcooper@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Just bought an 1987 2WD Westy with a faulty automatic transmission.
> > >>>>>> Fell
> > >>>>>> in love with these things this past summer but could not afford a
> > >>>>>> nice, clean one so I picked up this one last week instead. It's
> > >>>>>> in lovely shape
> > >>>>>> but only reverse gear works. There is no forward motion in any of
> > >>>>>> 1, 2 or
> > >>>>>> D, though with both rear wheels off the ground, they will spin
> > slowly.
> > >>>>>> Based on the chart in the Bentley, looks like this could be the
> > >>>>>> forward clutch, but I know darn little about these things.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Looks like I'm gonna have to fix this since my wife refuses to
> > >>>>>> see the country backwards. Being the curious type, I'm wondering
> > >>>>>> whether I dare try taking it apart myself. Anyone have
> > >>>>>> experience with rebuilding these?
> > >>>>>> I've overhauled a couple of engines but never touched an AT.
> > >>>>>> Does it require special tools? Also, is there a source for a
> > >>>>>> rebuild kit -- can't see one on either the GoWesty or the Bus
> > >>>>>> Depot sites.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Rick
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Cya,
> > >>>>> Robert
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> '87 2.1/Auto GL
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Cya,
> > >>> Robert
> > >>>
> > >>> '87 2.1/Auto GL
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cya,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > '87 2.1/Auto GL
> > >
> >
> >
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