Date:         Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:45:57 -0700
Reply-To:     Jon VO <jondvo@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Jon VO <jondvo@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: How does water even get in here? (Side window lip rust). And
              questions about window seals and adhesive.
Comments: To: Mike South <msouth@GMAIL.COM>
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I am seeing a tiny puddle of water at the floor under this window on my
van. Interior removed for updates. The extra rivets are surrounded by
sealant, which looks different in the photo...
I would expect the water is coming through either the gasket itself, or
the channel the window resides in.
https://imgur.com/WnUKl7i

On 12/23/2014 11:40 AM, Mike South wrote:
> 1985 Westy (Bostig conversion, manual trans (converted))
>
> Uploaded two pictures which you can see at this link:
>
> http://imgur.com/cICZ1uR,iQmOCJq
>
> I am replacing the window because it broke while I was driving.  When I got
> the window out, I was kind of surprised to see rust there.
>
> Question 1:  how does water get there in the first place (out of both
> curiosity and the desire to understand what needs to be done to prevent
> recurrence)?
>
> Question 2: Does this mean I need to replace the seal?
>
> I was hoping to avoid that expense and time, but obviously fixing something
> like this would be a lot more expensive and time consuming if it went any
> further.
>
> Also:
>
> Bentley section 64 shows, for model years 1986 or later, precise dimensions
> for a bead of adhesive to be placed on the outside of the van.  They
> indicate that this exact amount is used so that minimal gets to the
> inside.  I'm guessing this means that the adhesive gets dragged in by the
> seal as the window is placed.  Then you're supposed to use a solvent to
> clean off any on the inside.
>
> Question 3:  Should I use an adhesive on my 1985?
>
> Question 4:  Is this the right adhesive:
>
> http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/MMM0/08008/N0399.oap
>
> It's called "3M - Super Weatherstrip Adhesive"
>
> Question 5:  Would there be any advantage to/problem with applying adhesive
> after the installation?  Just using trim prybars to pull the rubber back,
> and running a line of adhesive in there, is what I mean.  On either or both
> the inside and outside.
>
> Thanks in advance, everyone.
>
> mike