Date:         Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:37:57 -0600
Reply-To:     Abel Longoria <houstonphotog@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Abel Longoria <houstonphotog@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Heat inside the camper.. No
Comments: To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net>
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Invest in a propane detector and a Carbon monoxide detector.. Safety first.

I just recently installed a webasto fuel heater and love it. Can't wait for
some more winter camping.

Abel.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:08 AM, "Tom Hargrave" <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:

> The scary part of this is you were not breathing heavy. This means that O2
> was being depleted but there was not much CO2 in the air. Your body does
> not react to absence of oxygen, it reacts to a buildup of CO2.
>
> If instead of watching the flame you had dozed off, you might have just
> gone to sleep and not woken back up!!!!
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
> Of Edward Maglott
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 10:38 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Heat inside the camper.. No
>
> That's pretty interesting Don.  How long do you think it took for the
> flame to start diminishing?  Another physics question for the list is at
> what % oxygen will that start happening to the stove flame.  At least some
> of those propane heaters with oxygen depletion sensors work on the same
> principle.  the pilot light is what heats the thermocouple.  as O2 declines
> the pilot flame shrinks until the thermocouple eventually shuts off the gas
> due to low temp.
>
> I have "illegally" used the stove for heat while stealth camping but not
> for very long.  Usually just long enough to get dressed enough to go into
> the walmart/truckstop/whatever that I'm stealth camping at.  when i get
> back I start the engine and let it idle while I reconfigure for driving.
> put front heater on cold so no coolant goes to that core and that rear
> heater will start putting out heat quite soon.
> Edward
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:23 AM, David Bjorkman <ddbjorkman@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I too am a lover of that coffee pot heating the interior of the Westy
> > first thing in the AM.  As a matter of fact, the lovely bride and I
> > usually set up the coffee the night before and whoever loses the buck
> > up in the AM has to jump out of bed and light the burner.  By the time
> > the coffee is ready, the cabin is warm and toasty and we get dressed.  I
> Love my car.
> > BUT, we never leave it on longer than it takes to do the job, and the
> > top is open.  I must admit we have, on very limited occasions, heated
> > a couple of kettles to almost boiling point in the bus to fend off the
> > cold, thus allowing a heat source, but one must be very cognizant of
> > O2.  Just being in the vehicle uses it up.  There are better ways to
> > get a headache Than lack of oxygen.
> >
> > Dave B.
> >
> >
> > On 01/03/15, Don Hanson wrote:
> >
> > Over many years and different vans, the majority VW, I've often used
> > my cook stove for quick heat. I've believed that my vans "leaked"
> > enough outside air that asphyxiation wasn't going to happen. This is
> > probably wrong, at least in my tin top camper. Just now, it being
> > around freezing in the pre-dawn desert SW, I brewed coffee and left
> > both westie stove burners on high for some heat as I watched the
> > sunrise .... I saw my burner's flame diminish and get thready. Thought I
> was out of propane...
> > But I discovered that a kitchen match, the "strike and light anywhere"
> > kind, that would not light! No O2 or too much co2....whatever, pretty
> > scary. I ran back the slider and let some air in, things burn normal
> again.
> >
> > So I believe the warning against using the cook top for cabin
> heat.,..now.
> > I just saw why.
> >
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