Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 22:25:34 -0500
Reply-To: James <jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: James <jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Asking VW about plans for a new microbus
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I built one using the volkswagen.fr 'configurator' tool, keeping to the basics of a full California Camper, and it quoted me EUR 46500 MSRP - but that's with 20% French VAT already in, which would not apply to an exported model. Deduct that and get EUR 38700
Curiously, there's not one that cheap on the official price list here: http://www.volkswagen-utilitaires.fr/fr/models/california/documentation.html and click on 'Tarifs', where the cheapest full camper starts at EUR 42800/US$50k (EUR 51300 with the VAT) - but look, the cheapest California Beach edition starts at only EUR 29600 (US$35k)! Admittedly, that model might not sell well here - but how many $10k Accents does Hyundai sell in the USA either?
Then look at what the prices of Jettas are in the EU versus the US, and wonder if VW couldn't do something similar with the California - or even build it in Mexico or Brazil (or Tennessee in that new 'flexi-plant' for the USA, if they decided to.
James
Ottawa, ON
From: stuartmacm@gmail.com
To: jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: RE: Asking VW about plans for a new microbus
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 11:58:47 -0800
I’m not sure what you are looking at, but I’m looking at the British price list for the California SE camper and the Beach (Weekender) version, not minivans: https://www.volkswagenvans.co.uk/media/1308863/1411_california_price_list.pdf There are several versions of the California SE (full camper) from MSRP of £38,250 ($57,375) to £43,975 ($65,962) for the 4Motion turbo diesel (price before the British 20% VAT) that everyone here would want. Add tariffs, shipping, and dealer markup. I also have to pay 10% sales tax in Seattle. It would likely be well over $80k here. I know there are plenty of diesel fans on this list, but the base diesel is only 140hp, and the turbo diesel is 180hp. The early VR-6 EV was 160hp, and the late model was 201hp. I can tell you personally that 160hp was not really enough for the Eurovan camper, but it was adequate, especially after driving a Vanagon. I don’t think the 140hp version would be acceptable to American drivers though. Bigger problem is to qualify it for the US Market. Some factory production changes would be needed, but the expensive part is crash testing hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth of vehicles to prove they are safe. Not gonna happen! After exploring all the modern options, I’m back to Vanagons forever! Stuart -----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of James
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 7:23 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Asking VW about plans for a new microbus > >> > When the Euro hits parity with the dollar (and it may soon, or even > > go below, given the dire straits of the EU economy), VW could look > > at exporting the California camper van, but it would likely still be > > too expensive, and Americans want BIG, just look at the conversions > > Road Trek and Sportsmobile do today. How many would buy a > > California for $70k+ when you can get a used RV for less, or a new Class B conversion for $100k?> >> > Stuart> > I'm not sure how a California Trendline that costs EUR 38 700 in France before taxes becomes a $70 000 vehicle in the USA? The exchange rate on the Euro is about 20% at the moment - that makes a California about $45 000, or the price of a nicely loaded Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna. Yes, you can a lot of options, but the pricing's not as far 'out there' as you'd think. Of course, you could option it up - Comfortline, 4motion - but that's true of other vehicles too. JamesOttawa, ON = |