Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:09:15 -0800
Reply-To: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: .9 bar oil pressure sender replacement
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It's a coolant/oil sandwich stack, and they fail when there is leakage between the two fluids. Like Dennis said, it's rare, but with every year that goes by the probability goes up. It's the same concept with the transmission cooler, and they fail more often.
My 1.9 does not have an oil cooler, but I'm replacing the one on the auto.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: mcneely4@cox.net [mailto:mcneely4@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 3:05 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM; Stuart MacMillan
Subject: Re: [VANAGON] .9 bar oil pressure sender replacement
Stuart, how does it fail? I have an external oil cooler (Ten Cent Life) on my 1991 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile. I believe the external cooler has benefited the engine. But the factory "oil cooler" is still in place, and no one has said anything before about needing to remove it. If one removes it, and does not install the sandwich plate referred to, how does one attach the oil filter?
mcneely
---- Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> The stock cooler is known to fail and destroy the engine. They are
> all very old!
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael Magnani
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:03 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: .9 bar oil pressure sender replacement
>
> Kevin,
> I recently installed the sandwich adapter with the stock oil cooler on
> my
> 2.1 WBX with no problems.
> Mike M
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Duvernay <kduvey@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > Stuart, can you clarify that? Are you saying I will not be able to
> > use an oil filter sandwich adapter with the stock oil cooler?
> > Because I was planning to... I don't see why you couldn't? Or are
> > you just saying the stock one sucks and should be replaced with an
> > aftermarket one? I don't know much about this subject, will need to do some research.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Stuart MacMillan
> > <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> You can have it all with that. As you know, you need to add an
> >> external cooler and junk the WBX stock cooler.
> >>
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Kevin Duvernay
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:59 AM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Re: .9 bar oil pressure sender replacement
> >>
> >> Well I do plan to install in the near future an oil filter sandwich
> >> plate and putting in an oil pressure sensor and an oil temp sensor.
> >> Only thing I'm waiting on is for Chris over at T3 to import another
> >> batch of gauge pods for the ash tray.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/vehicle-specific-oil-filter-sender-a
> >> da
> >> pter.aspx
> >>
> >> Is replacing the grey hi pressure switch a better option than the
> >> filter adapter plate?
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dunno if it is possible with the WBX sensors but a thought: Perhaps
> >>> replace the sensor with a gauge for pressure? Or a T-fitting,
> >>> like I use on my inline VW motor... one that allows me to have the
> >>> warning
> light
> >>> function and the OP pressure instrument? I also installed an oil
> >>> temperature gauge....I think I put that at oil filter flange....
> >>>
> >>> Both of those gauges are very informative....I monitor those
> >>> during extreme driving conditions...I would not feel comfortable
> >>> depending on just the warnings from factory in any VW motor (that
> >>> I can
> >>> afford) when well-installed dependable instrument can show you the
> >>> actual temperature and pressure and the trends in (almost) real time...
> >>>
> >>> As an example of the peace of mind given by actually knowing
> >>> what is going on with the motor's insides.......On my recent trip
> >>> back from the desert SW I encountered a huge traffic jamb on Cajon
> >>> Pass, leaving San Bernardino....Almost two hours of stop and go,
> >>> uphill amidst a crowd of huge big rigs and very aggressive
> >>> California drivers, with no off ramps and almost no chance of lane
> >>> changes, driving my 84 vanagon loaded at 4700lbs....Sitting there
> >>> amongst all that I was glad to KNOW that nothing much was
> >>> bothering the old ABA jetta motor...OP stayed at 23lbs during idle
> >>> and the temp confirmed the motor was cooling just
> >> fine...
> >>>
> >>> Better, in my opinion, than just: "Oil pressure?...Yes" that you
> >>> get from the stock set up....
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Kevin Duvernay <kduvey@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks guys. How do I tell if my sensor is an aftermarket one or
> >>>> one of the genuine resigned ones?
> >>>>
> >>>> I do have a spare oil cooler O ring kicking around somewhere,
> >>>> I'll dig it out. Good tip on the PB blaster. I snapped a stud
> >>>> replacing the other header... (although the 2/4 header hardware
> >>>> looks much less corroded and I've already broke 3 of the 4 nuts
> >>>> loose)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:12 AM, OlRivrRat
> >>>> <OlRivrRat@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Kevin
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not that it is necessary, but I'll put a 2nd on what DH &
> >>>>> KW
> >>>> have
> >>>>> said & Add that if
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You have not already done so, You should Soak All the Nuts&Bolts
> >>>>> that
> >>>> you
> >>>>> are going to
> >>>>>
> >>>>> be removing on this project with PBBlaster &Or Zep45 Today &
> >>>>> then
> >>>> HeatItUp
> >>>>> ToOp'Temp
> >>>>>
> >>>>> &Then SoakAgain ~
> >>>>>
> >>>>> &Also ~ The NextTime You change Your Oil, Save Yourself
> >>>>> some UnnecessarilySpent
> >>>>>
> >>>>> $s & use Valvoline FullSynthetic Instead ~
> >>>> http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/ful
> >>>> l-
> >>>> sy
> >>>> nthetic-motor-oil/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Redline is a GreatOil as are RoyalPurple & Ams but
> >>>> WayOverPriced &
> >>>>> a Valvo' F'S'Oil
> >>>>>
> >>>>> will DoTheJob JustAsWell ~
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are Other Good F'S'Oils out there but I'm just fond
> >>>>> of Valvo' ~
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ORR ~
> >>>>> DeanB
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5 Mar , 2015, at 8:50 AM, Kevin Duvernay wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm swapping out my motor mounts tomorrow. While I'm there I'm
> >>>>>> also
> >>>> going
> >>>>>> to replace the #2/4 header. If that goes smoothly, I've also
> >>>>>> got a new water pump along with all new coolant pipes/gaskets
> >>>>>> and hoses (its basically the last bits of my complete cooling
> >>>>>> system
> >>>>>> overhaul!)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyways, I figured while I'm there doing all this I minus well
> >>>>>> toss
> >>>> in a
> >>>>>> new high pressure oil sender (the grey one, .9 bar). What I'm
> >>>> wondering
> >>>>> is,
> >>>>>> is it possible to do this without loosing too much oil? I JUST
> >>>>>> changed
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> oil out to some really expensive Redline synthetic stuff, would
> >>>>>> hate
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> waste any of it...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, anything else I should address while I'm back there?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kevin
> >>
> >>
--
David McNeely