Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:57:08 -0500
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: oil temperature sender placement.
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Yes, the oil temperature sensor needs to be where oil is circulating or at least sitting. If adding an oil cooler with a sandwich adapter drilling-tapping to put the sensor on the oil outlet is ideal. Doing the outlet and return will also give the ability to see the actual cooling performance. I have drilled and tapped the case to put the sensor in the oil sump. I have also drilled the center of the oil pressure relief valve plug and placed the sensor there.
For the cooler an ideal set up is one that does not relay on another fan and flat plate cooler such as those from Earl's supply work extremely well. A 16 plate cooler in front of the radiator/AC condenser works great. 1/2" hoses and 5/8" steel or copper line will keep pressure losses to a minimum and remote thermostats usually are more consistent and reliable then ones as part of some of the sandwich adapters. The Aeroquip Socketless hose is reasonably priced, easy to work with, and holds up very well.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Duvernay
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 6:12 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: .9 bar oil pressure sender replacement
Dennis,
I'm thinking that method would not work for oil temperature though right? I assume temperature sensors would need to be somewhere where oil is actually circulating. So since I want temp as well as pressure I'm thinking the sandwich plate is the simplistic solution. Plus it allows me to retain the factory oil warning system... For whatever that's worth...
Dave - I think if one replaced the threaded tube the filter screws onto with a shorter one you could just mount the filter directly to the block, no?
Kevin
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> Stuart, how does it fail? I have an external oil cooler (Ten Cent
> Life) on my 1991 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile. I believe the
> external cooler has benefited the engine. But the factory "oil
> cooler" is still in place, and no one has said anything before about
> needing to remove it. If one removes it, and does not install the
> sandwich plate referred to, how does one attach the oil filter?
>
> mcneely
>
> ---- Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > The stock cooler is known to fail and destroy the engine. They are
> > all
> very
> > old!
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of
> > Michael Magnani
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:03 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <javascript:;>
> > Subject: Re: .9 bar oil pressure sender replacement
> >
> > Kevin,
> > I recently installed the sandwich adapter with the stock oil cooler
> > on my
> > 2.1 WBX with no problems.
> > Mike M
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Duvernay <kduvey@GMAIL.COM
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Stuart, can you clarify that? Are you saying I will not be able to
> > > use an oil filter sandwich adapter with the stock oil cooler?
> > > Because I was planning to... I don't see why you couldn't? Or are
> > > you just saying the stock one sucks and should be replaced with an
> > > aftermarket one? I don't know much about this subject, will need
> > > to do some
> research.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Stuart MacMillan
> > > <stuartmacm@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> You can have it all with that. As you know, you need to add an
> > >> external cooler and junk the WBX stock cooler.
> > >>
> > >> Stuart
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> <javascript:;>] On
> > >> Behalf Of Kevin Duvernay
> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:59 AM
> > >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <javascript:;>
> > >> Subject: Re: .9 bar oil pressure sender replacement
> > >>
> > >> Well I do plan to install in the near future an oil filter
> > >> sandwich plate and putting in an oil pressure sensor and an oil temp sensor.
> > >> Only thing I'm waiting on is for Chris over at T3 to import
> > >> another batch of gauge pods for the ash tray.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/vehicle-specific-oil-filter-sender
> > >> -ada
> > >> pter.aspx
> > >>
> > >> Is replacing the grey hi pressure switch a better option than the
> > >> filter adapter plate?
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Don Hanson
> > >>> <dhanson928@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Dunno if it is possible with the WBX sensors but a thought: Perhaps
> > >>> replace the sensor with a gauge for pressure? Or a T-fitting,
> > >>> like I use on my inline VW motor... one that allows me to have
> > >>> the warning
> > light
> > >>> function and the OP pressure instrument? I also installed an oil
> > >>> temperature gauge....I think I put that at oil filter flange....
> > >>>
> > >>> Both of those gauges are very informative....I monitor those
> > >>> during extreme driving conditions...I would not feel comfortable
> > >>> depending on just the warnings from factory in any VW motor
> > >>> (that I can
> > >>> afford) when well-installed dependable instrument can show you
> > >>> the actual temperature and pressure and the trends in (almost)
> > >>> real
> time...
> > >>>
> > >>> As an example of the peace of mind given by actually knowing
> > >>> what is going on with the motor's insides.......On my recent
> > >>> trip back from the desert SW I encountered a huge traffic jamb
> > >>> on Cajon Pass, leaving San Bernardino....Almost two hours of
> > >>> stop and go, uphill amidst a crowd of huge big rigs and very
> > >>> aggressive California drivers, with no off ramps and almost no
> > >>> chance of lane changes, driving my 84 vanagon loaded at
> > >>> 4700lbs....Sitting there amongst all that I was glad to KNOW
> > >>> that nothing much was bothering the old ABA jetta motor...OP
> > >>> stayed at 23lbs during idle and the temp confirmed the motor was
> > >>> cooling just
> > >> fine...
> > >>>
> > >>> Better, in my opinion, than just: "Oil pressure?...Yes" that
> > >>> you get from the stock set up....
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Kevin Duvernay
> > >>>> <kduvey@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks guys. How do I tell if my sensor is an aftermarket one
> > >>>> or one of the genuine resigned ones?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I do have a spare oil cooler O ring kicking around somewhere,
> > >>>> I'll dig it out. Good tip on the PB blaster. I snapped a stud
> > >>>> replacing the other header... (although the 2/4 header hardware
> > >>>> looks much less corroded and I've already broke 3 of the 4 nuts
> > >>>> loose)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:12 AM, OlRivrRat
> > >>>> <OlRivrRat@comcast.net
> <javascript:;>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Kevin
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Not that it is necessary, but I'll put a 2nd on what DH
> > >>>>> & KW
> > >>>> have
> > >>>>> said & Add that if
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You have not already done so, You should Soak All the
> > >>>>> Nuts&Bolts that
> > >>>> you
> > >>>>> are going to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> be removing on this project with PBBlaster &Or Zep45 Today &
> > >>>>> then
> > >>>> HeatItUp
> > >>>>> ToOp'Temp
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> &Then SoakAgain ~
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> &Also ~ The NextTime You change Your Oil, Save Yourself
> > >>>>> some UnnecessarilySpent
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> $s & use Valvoline FullSynthetic Instead ~
> > >>>> http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/f
> > >>>> ull-
> > >>>> sy
> > >>>> nthetic-motor-oil/
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Redline is a GreatOil as are RoyalPurple & Ams but
> > >>>> WayOverPriced &
> > >>>>> a Valvo' F'S'Oil
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> will DoTheJob JustAsWell ~
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There are Other Good F'S'Oils out there but I'm just
> > >>>>> fond of Valvo' ~
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ORR ~
> > >>>>> DeanB
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 5 Mar , 2015, at 8:50 AM, Kevin Duvernay wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm swapping out my motor mounts tomorrow. While I'm there
> > >>>>>> I'm also
> > >>>> going
> > >>>>>> to replace the #2/4 header. If that goes smoothly, I've also
> > >>>>>> got a new water pump along with all new coolant pipes/gaskets
> > >>>>>> and hoses (its basically the last bits of my complete cooling
> > >>>>>> system
> > >>>>>> overhaul!)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Anyways, I figured while I'm there doing all this I minus
> > >>>>>> well toss
> > >>>> in a
> > >>>>>> new high pressure oil sender (the grey one, .9 bar). What I'm
> > >>>> wondering
> > >>>>> is,
> > >>>>>> is it possible to do this without loosing too much oil? I
> > >>>>>> JUST changed
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> oil out to some really expensive Redline synthetic stuff,
> > >>>>>> would hate
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>> waste any of it...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Also, anything else I should address while I'm back there?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kevin
> > >>
> > >>
>
> --
> David McNeely
>
