Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 22:59:05 -0700
Reply-To: "Mudd \"Not Jack\" Sparrow" <rummaging@YAHOO.COM>
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From: "Mudd \"Not Jack\" Sparrow" <rummaging@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: van comparisons {was (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity}
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Yeah. If you bought one long ago.
Anymore it's for the ultra rich.
> On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:32 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA> wrote:
>
> I know many people like the idea of a roof top tent. But for me it would be a no go. It's the rain and or snow issue. Getting out of a low headroom vehicle (did you cook in there? Relax and lodge around ?), and climbing up into the tent would be less fun after a few days of bad weather.
>
> Pop tops or high tops really are the bees knees.
>
> Alistair
>
>
>
>> On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Stephen Engel <sengel543@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Jeep is showing a Grand Cherokee Overlander Concept with one of those roof rack tents on it. I have to believe there's more than a few people (and not just us) that want a camping vehicle that drives like a car.
>>
>> Steve
>> 87 Syncro GL
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Fri, 3/20/15, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: van comparisons {was (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity}
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Date: Friday, March 20, 2015, 11:43 PM
>>
>> ---- Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think VW knows that until they have products that
>> truly compete with the
>>> Ford or Mercedes van or trucks there is little sense
>> going for the American
>>> market. As for campers most folks want fully featured
>> units including
>>> toilets and showers and enough room to be comfortable.
>> As you start heading
>>> North of $40K there are a lot of choices beyond a van
>> with a pop up tent.
>>
>> But what some of us want is a van with a pop up tent, maybe
>> just a scooch more room, but that's not essential.
>> Showers and toilets? Nope, not me, not needed.
>> But I would like modern reliability.
>>
>> mcneely
>>
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]
>> On Behalf Of
>>> Stuart MacMillan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 12:38 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity
>>>
>>> VW has a limited product line in the US, and their
>> biggest problem here will
>>> be meeting the ever increasing CAFE fuel economy
>> standards, hence the
>>> introduction of the very expensive e-Golf Who's
>> going to buy this for
>>> $34,000? And, the subsidized $299/mo lease is only
>> available in 10 states
>>> and DE.
>>>
>>> CAFE means selling more fuel efficient cars to bring up
>> the fleet average,
>>> and bringing in vans without a subsidized electric or
>> hybrid high mileage
>>> car to offset them won't help. I think that's the
>> main reason we won't see
>>> a van any time soon. Or maybe we'll see only TDI vans!
>>>
>>> Compared to #1 Toyota with the Prius, a bunch of gas
>> sippers (including the
>>> tiny 37 mpg Scion iQ), two pickup trucks (at least one
>> is essential in the
>>> US), their bread and butter Camry, and a Van, distant
>> #2 VW has a long way
>>> to go. But I would like to see them try harder.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]
>> On Behalf Of
>>> Jon VO
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:38 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity
>>>
>>> Except the Eos, the Golf R, and the CC are mainly
>> optioned versions of
>>> existing NA models, the California is not imported in
>> any form.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 3/18/2015 8:39 PM, James wrote:
>>>> Volvo has been way behind Toyota in reliability
>> for the last five
>>>> years or
>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, reliability or the lack thereof isn't
>> the buying factor it
>>>> used
>>> to be, as overall automotive reliability is now so high
>> - the 'average' in
>>> Consumer Reports now was the five star reliability
>> rating of 15 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> And as to the idea that 'special low volume models
>> aren't part of that
>>> business model" - VW sells the EOS, the CC, the Golf R
>> - all low volume, all
>>> to showcase the brand. Yet most of the public
>> could hardly place a CC or an
>>> EOS if they were challenged, when everybody knows the
>> VW bus. Importing the
>>> California camper, with special trim lines to celebrate
>> the camper, seems a
>>> natural.
>>>>
>>>> As the EOS and R have shown, a 'US federalised'
>> model need not be a
>>> stopper. The handful of years they've sold the R
>> on this side of the
>>> Atlantic, they've brought in as few as 400 per year,
>> IIRC.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>> Ottawa, ON
>>
>> --
>> David McNeely
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