Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:57:52 -0700
Reply-To: Stephen Engel <sengel543@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Stephen Engel <sengel543@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: van comparisons {was (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity}
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Jeep is showing a Grand Cherokee Overlander Concept with one of those roof rack tents on it. I have to believe there's more than a few people (and not just us) that want a camping vehicle that drives like a car.
Steve
87 Syncro GL
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On Fri, 3/20/15, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET> wrote:
Subject: Re: van comparisons {was (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity}
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Date: Friday, March 20, 2015, 11:43 PM
---- Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:
>
> I think VW knows that until they have products that
truly compete with the
> Ford or Mercedes van or trucks there is little sense
going for the American
> market. As for campers most folks want fully featured
units including
> toilets and showers and enough room to be comfortable.
As you start heading
> North of $40K there are a lot of choices beyond a van
with a pop up tent.
But what some of us want is a van with a pop up tent, maybe
just a scooch more room, but that's not essential.
Showers and toilets? Nope, not me, not needed.
But I would like modern reliability.
mcneely
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]
On Behalf Of
> Stuart MacMillan
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 12:38 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity
>
> VW has a limited product line in the US, and their
biggest problem here will
> be meeting the ever increasing CAFE fuel economy
standards, hence the
> introduction of the very expensive e-Golf Who's
going to buy this for
> $34,000? And, the subsidized $299/mo lease is only
available in 10 states
> and DE.
>
> CAFE means selling more fuel efficient cars to bring up
the fleet average,
> and bringing in vans without a subsidized electric or
hybrid high mileage
> car to offset them won't help. I think that's the
main reason we won't see
> a van any time soon. Or maybe we'll see only TDI vans!
>
> Compared to #1 Toyota with the Prius, a bunch of gas
sippers (including the
> tiny 37 mpg Scion iQ), two pickup trucks (at least one
is essential in the
> US), their bread and butter Camry, and a Van, distant
#2 VW has a long way
> to go. But I would like to see them try harder.
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]
On Behalf Of
> Jon VO
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:38 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity
>
> Except the Eos, the Golf R, and the CC are mainly
optioned versions of
> existing NA models, the California is not imported in
any form.
>
>
> On 3/18/2015 8:39 PM, James wrote:
> > Volvo has been way behind Toyota in reliability
for the last five
> > years or
> so.
> >
> > Thing is, reliability or the lack thereof isn't
the buying factor it
> > used
> to be, as overall automotive reliability is now so high
- the 'average' in
> Consumer Reports now was the five star reliability
rating of 15 years ago.
> >
> > And as to the idea that 'special low volume models
aren't part of that
> business model" - VW sells the EOS, the CC, the Golf R
- all low volume, all
> to showcase the brand. Yet most of the public
could hardly place a CC or an
> EOS if they were challenged, when everybody knows the
VW bus. Importing the
> California camper, with special trim lines to celebrate
the camper, seems a
> natural.
> >
> > As the EOS and R have shown, a 'US federalised'
model need not be a
> stopper. The handful of years they've sold the R
on this side of the
> Atlantic, they've brought in as few as 400 per year,
IIRC.
> >
> > James
> > Ottawa, ON
> >
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David McNeely
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