Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:32:18 -0700
Reply-To: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
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From: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
Subject: Re: van comparisons {was (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity}
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I know many people like the idea of a roof top tent. But for me it would be a no go. It's the rain and or snow issue. Getting out of a low headroom vehicle (did you cook in there? Relax and lodge around ?), and climbing up into the tent would be less fun after a few days of bad weather.
Pop tops or high tops really are the bees knees.
Alistair
> On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Stephen Engel <sengel543@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
> Jeep is showing a Grand Cherokee Overlander Concept with one of those roof rack tents on it. I have to believe there's more than a few people (and not just us) that want a camping vehicle that drives like a car.
>
> Steve
> 87 Syncro GL
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 3/20/15, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: van comparisons {was (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity}
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Date: Friday, March 20, 2015, 11:43 PM
>
> ---- Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think VW knows that until they have products that
> truly compete with the
>> Ford or Mercedes van or trucks there is little sense
> going for the American
>> market. As for campers most folks want fully featured
> units including
>> toilets and showers and enough room to be comfortable.
> As you start heading
>> North of $40K there are a lot of choices beyond a van
> with a pop up tent.
>
> But what some of us want is a van with a pop up tent, maybe
> just a scooch more room, but that's not essential.
> Showers and toilets? Nope, not me, not needed.
> But I would like modern reliability.
>
> mcneely
>
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]
> On Behalf Of
>> Stuart MacMillan
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 12:38 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity
>>
>> VW has a limited product line in the US, and their
> biggest problem here will
>> be meeting the ever increasing CAFE fuel economy
> standards, hence the
>> introduction of the very expensive e-Golf Who's
> going to buy this for
>> $34,000? And, the subsidized $299/mo lease is only
> available in 10 states
>> and DE.
>>
>> CAFE means selling more fuel efficient cars to bring up
> the fleet average,
>> and bringing in vans without a subsidized electric or
> hybrid high mileage
>> car to offset them won't help. I think that's the
> main reason we won't see
>> a van any time soon. Or maybe we'll see only TDI vans!
>>
>> Compared to #1 Toyota with the Prius, a bunch of gas
> sippers (including the
>> tiny 37 mpg Scion iQ), two pickup trucks (at least one
> is essential in the
>> US), their bread and butter Camry, and a Van, distant
> #2 VW has a long way
>> to go. But I would like to see them try harder.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]
> On Behalf Of
>> Jon VO
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:38 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: (Friday NVC) When Euro hits parity
>>
>> Except the Eos, the Golf R, and the CC are mainly
> optioned versions of
>> existing NA models, the California is not imported in
> any form.
>>
>>
>>> On 3/18/2015 8:39 PM, James wrote:
>>> Volvo has been way behind Toyota in reliability
> for the last five
>>> years or
>> so.
>>>
>>> Thing is, reliability or the lack thereof isn't
> the buying factor it
>>> used
>> to be, as overall automotive reliability is now so high
> - the 'average' in
>> Consumer Reports now was the five star reliability
> rating of 15 years ago.
>>>
>>> And as to the idea that 'special low volume models
> aren't part of that
>> business model" - VW sells the EOS, the CC, the Golf R
> - all low volume, all
>> to showcase the brand. Yet most of the public
> could hardly place a CC or an
>> EOS if they were challenged, when everybody knows the
> VW bus. Importing the
>> California camper, with special trim lines to celebrate
> the camper, seems a
>> natural.
>>>
>>> As the EOS and R have shown, a 'US federalised'
> model need not be a
>> stopper. The handful of years they've sold the R
> on this side of the
>> Atlantic, they've brought in as few as 400 per year,
> IIRC.
>>>
>>> James
>>> Ottawa, ON
>
> --
> David McNeely
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