Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 21:57:15 -0500
Reply-To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
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From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
Subject: Re: SoCal lane splitting coming to WA?
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Because it's absolutely scary when a car pulls up beside you in your lane. You are on two wheels and very vulnerable and you don't know the intentions of the other vehicle.
The last and only time this happened to me was at Daytona Bike Week years ago. I was sitting on my 1992 Harley Davidson and there are so many bikes down there that you automatically stay to the left or right at a stop light to make room for another bike.
So, that day I was in the far left of the right most turn lane and there was a car in the left most left turn lane. In whips a car next to me and when the light turned green he turned left too!!! So here I was in a left turn trapped between two cars and during the entire turn I could have reached out and touched either one of them!
From that date on when I come to a stop at a light I'm dead center in my lane.
Splitting lanes is different. You are riding faster than the surrounding traffic and you can observe cars you are about to pull between. You can decide if you want to end up between two cars in a turn, I bet most don't.
Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of Jeff Palmer
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 7:38 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: SoCal lane splitting coming to WA?
Why is that though? Why is it ok for bikes to split lanes but I can't pull up beside? We all fit.
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> On Apr 4, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET> wrote:
>
> I ride, and if some car or van pulled up beside me I'd be pretty pissed.
>
> Now, if another bike pulled up beside me I'd be OK - there's enough room for two bikes in one lane.
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Palmer
> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 1:29 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: SoCal lane splitting coming to WA?
>
> There was a motorcycle stopped at a red light so I pulled up beside him. Apparently that is discouraged.
>
> Jeff
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>> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Friday extension:
>>
>> WA is considering allowing this, now that the Seattle metro area has the nation's third worst traffic. I doubt it will pass, but it will someday. We can have 60 miles of stop and go traffic on I-5 in the afternoons. Here is the idea:
>>
>> "Washington state's proposed law would allow motorcyclists to occasionally ride the stripes between cars when traffic is moving under 25 mph. Because it would be limited to traffic jams, bikers could not travel more than 35 mph at their top speed when passing between lanes."
>>
>> Full article:
>> http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Controversial-bill-would-allow-mot
>> o rcycles-to-pass-between-lanes-290652671.html
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of Don Hanson
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 10:09 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: SoCal
>>
>> I have to say that after a few months near the LA/San Diego/Tijuana metroplex and spending a bit of time on those freeways.....riding a moto amongst those drivers....that takes some brass ones. And yet, there are a lot of bikes out there, zipping around, passing the cars that are also
>> going 80.....if it is not grid lock at the time. I see no valid reason
>> that riders should be prohibited from splitting lanes....it's their life....and it doesn't slow the rest of us down....unless they get smooshed....that doesn't seem to happen much....surprisingly....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Jim Arnott <jrasite@eoni.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What Greg said. BTDT. (Actually kinda miss it. It’s a great skills
>>> test.) And it is quite legal in LA(Dick’s link is a great one:
>>> https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/about/lane_splitting )
>>> There’s a 5’ wide lane there. The trick is to watch the other
>>> drivers and be past them before they know you’re there. Keep all the
>>> traffic moving the same direction. (As taught to me by a CHP Motor
>>> Officer.)
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 5:45 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So they can get somewhere when everyone else is parked on the interstate.
>>>>
>>>> GregM
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