Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 21:09:18 -0500
Reply-To: Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Advice on TD engine problem
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Is it a correct diesel oil pump? Try priming it counter clockwise? I've
seen some gassers spin the intermediate shaft opposite direction than the
diesel???
On May 8, 2015 8:54 PM, "Ralph Meyermann" <ralphmeyermann@gmail.com> wrote:
> And if you look closely you should see oil coming from the intermediate
> shaft bearing right next to the pump shaft for a visual
> On May 8, 2015 7:33 PM, "Michael Catlin" <mjcatlin.l@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>> I like Jim's advice, but I would first remove the vacuum pump and prime
>> the
>> oil pump directly with a drill-driven slotted shaft such as this:
>>
>> http://techtonicstuning.com/main/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=634&products_id=1614
>> (You could make a priming shaft from a piece of wooden dowel.) You will
>> feel an increasing load on your hand-held drill if the oil pump is
>> creating
>> oil pressure.
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > 1. Head gasket on upside down, blocking oil access to the head. Make
>> sure
>> > you can see OBEN on the head gasket near the notches.
>> >
>> > 2. Possibly the oil pump is not engaging the vacuum pump despite the
>> fact
>> > that it seems to. The vacuum pump drives the oil pump.
>> >
>> > 3. Stuff sat around before the rebuild and mud daubers built a nest
>> > somewhere. It is easier to find another block than to find the blockage.
>> >
>> > 4. The main bearings were installed without the halves with the holes in
>> > them; or the holes are on the wrong journals, or they are installed
>> upside
>> > down.
>> >
>> > Off the top of my head, that's about it.
>> >
>> > If you really want to know if oil, any oil, is getting to the head, pull
>> > the valve cover.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:49 PM, kenneth wilford (Van-Again) <
>> > kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I thought I would ask for advice/cry on everyone's shoulder. I have
>> been
>> > > working really hard the last two weeks installing a 1.9l TD conversion
>> > into
>> > > a customer's Vanagon. Today was going to be the happy day of firing
>> it
>> > up
>> > > and doing the break in. Instead, I am sad because so far, I have no
>> luck
>> > > getting the brand new engine to make any oil pressure whatsoever :-(
>> > >
>> > > Here is the story. Brand new engine, filled with 15-40 oil. Cranked
>> the
>> > > engine for at least 5 minutes while we were getting the fuel system
>> > filled
>> > > up and bled. The oil light was on the whole time, but because it is a
>> > > conversion I thought maybe it wasn't working properly. We finally got
>> > the
>> > > engine to start and it ran sweet, sounded great and I was happy that
>> all
>> > my
>> > > hard work was over. All of the lights on the dash went out except for
>> > the
>> > > oil pressure. I thought maybe it was an electrical glitch so I shut
>> the
>> > > engine down after about 30 seconds of running and checked the wiring.
>> > > Seemed fine. I installed a pressure gauge in the port in the head.
>> > > Started the van up again, ran for another 30 seconds or so and no oil
>> > > pressure at all. Shut it down. Check the vacuum pump and it seemed
>> > fine.
>> > > Pulled it out looked at the oil pump shaft. Hooked up a rubber hose
>> to
>> > the
>> > > pump shaft with an air tool to allow us to turn the pump itself at
>> decent
>> > > speed. Turned the pump clockwise for at least a minute, still no
>> > pressure
>> > > at the head. Reinstalled the vacuum pump, making sure that it seated
>> all
>> > > the way down (it drives the oil pump) and cranked the engine over
>> > several
>> > > times. Still nothing. Cracked the oil filter, it was full of oil so
>> > that
>> > > just cracking it, it ran out. I didn't put any oil in it because it
>> was
>> > on
>> > > a decent angle and I figured it would just mostly spill out anyway.
>> So
>> > > something pumped oil into the filter, but I am not seeing any
>> pressure at
>> > > the head port.
>> > >
>> > > At this point, I spoke with the engine builder. They said maybe I
>> just
>> > > haven't let it run long enough period of time to get the air to bleed
>> out
>> > > of the system and that I should run it for another minute to be sure
>> it
>> > > isn't still just trapped air. My experience is that these motors make
>> > > great oil pressure, usually it is pretty quickly made (just a few
>> > > seconds). I am going to try the longer run and see if anything good
>> > > happens but I am not hopeful. If anyone has any thoughts or advice,
>> > please
>> > > let me know.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Ken Wilford
>> > > John 3:16
>> > > www.vanagain.com
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
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