Date:         Sun, 12 Jul 2015 09:21:15 -0400
Reply-To:     Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Why new tires should go on the rear.
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Sudhir,
It doesn't matter how far you can turn the front wheels once the more worn
rear tires are sliding sideways.  If you prefer understeer to oversteer,
put the more worn tires on the front so they will slide first.

Tom makes a good point about us all overdriving conditions which I
obviously did in my crash.  I was not overdriving the conditions for them
being wet and slushy on a straight uphill road but the conditions changed
suddenly without me noticing.  In hindsight I should have been more
cautious because I was increasing altitude and had also switched to a much
less traveled road.  Putting the better tires on the rear is one thing we
can do to help us have a better outcome when we do end up overdriving
conditions.

Finally, note that this is on Allstate's blog.  Their financial interest is
in paying less out when we crash.
Edward

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Of course this was a "demonstration". Your reasoning though goes along with
> not wearing seat belts because of the delay in escaping. With front drive
> cars being so dominate these days and many folks believing the new tires go
> on the front, especially considering how fast many cars wear the fronts out
> in a number of states new or the better tires on the rear is law same as
> winter tires on all axles.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Tom Hargrave
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:38 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Why new tires should go on the rear.
>
> Go back and watch the video - they set it up to fail.
>
>
> http://blog.allstate.com/new-tires-rear/?cid=CSY-PB-ZM-AB-outbrain_com:New-T
> ires-To-The-Rear
>
> The driver drove through the track with the new tires on the rear and let
> the front tires hydroplane. This is an easy recovery, just back off the
> gas.
>
> Then the driver hammered through the track with the new tires on the front,
> throwing the car into a spin. This was impossible to recover from.
>
> Reality is "normal driving" where your back tires break loose and you steer
> into the slide & regain traction.
>
> No thanks - I'll continue mounting new tires on the front.
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of
> Dennis Haynes
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:20 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Why new tires should go on the rear.
>
> Check out the video on the link.
>
>
> http://blog.allstate.com/new-tires-rear/?cid=CSY-PB-ZM-AB-outbrain_com:New-T
> ires-To-The-Rear
>
>
>
> Same can happen with miss matched tires such as snows or all terrains in
> the
> rear.
>
>
>
> Dennis
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