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Date:         Wed, 8 Jul 2015 21:44:06 -0500
Reply-To:     mcneely4@COX.NET
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Finding the PERFECT starter battery! (UPDATE!)
Comments: To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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The table in the link does not list a group 48, unless I am completely whacko. Help me out there. mcneely

---- Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: > Here is a BCI battery spec chart > > http://www.interstatedealers.com/IBCatalog/common/automotive_spec.pdf > > The BCI group 41 is 6-5/8 inches tall. > > The BCI group 48 (H6) is 7-1/2 inches tall. It will not fit under the screwed down cover of a Westfalia battery box. > > Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott ) > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:42 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Finding the PERFECT starter battery! (UPDATE!) > > sure sounds like a lot of hassle. > All I have done for YEARS is ask for a battery for an 82 Diesel Vanagon ....it's even an US model ! > > a 48 is what they give me. > > that is a VERY 'traditional' VW Battery .. > it's not tall... > the terminals are in the right places... > it fits > they come with provision for the positive terminal cover . > plus it's more CCA's than a 41. > > like what's not to like ??? > gettin' overly complicated seems to me. > > On 7/8/2015 7:23 AM, PB wrote: > > David, > > Thinking that I was getting an exact replacement for my discharged > > battery, I went online and looked for a group 41 battery. When I saw > > that it was a Bosch, and the photo provided actually LOOKED like my > > battery, except that there was no sticker, and the terminal cover was > > not there - no big deal - just reuse the old one...I didn't ask them > > anything. The store is basically staffed with kids. The manager, > > also young, is usually the only one who knows anything. I just showed > > them the description from their website. I didn't go through, "What > > is the make and model of your vehicle,etc., etc." I just now looked > > it up on their website, and after putting all of the requested info > > for batteries, it came up with this product > > <http://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9652149/00854>, which is not > > even a battery!!! I will go to my battery place and see what they have to say about this situation. > > Patti > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:49 AM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote: > > > >> Patti, your old battery appears identical to mine, which I bought at > >> Pep Boys 4 years ago. If it has the nipples for vent hose > >> attachment, it IS identical to mine, including the strap. Pep Boys > >> also sells the vent hoses in case a PO removed them from your compartment. > >> > >> The new battery, as you observed, does not have the cover for the > >> positive post. That is a dangerous situation, and since you observed > >> that the lid contacts the post, it is simply not an acceptable battery for your van. > >> Even with the post cover, I still cover the battery with a rubber sheet to > >> prevent contact with the metal lid. I know that folks say that there is > >> a rubber lining on the lid, but mine does not have one, just bare metal. > >> There is a foam gasket around the edge, but no rubber liner. > >> > >> > >> I am disappointed to learn this, because I thought that when I came > >> to need a new battery, I could go back to Pep Boys. Are you certain > >> that the one they provided you is the one listed for the van, or is > >> it one that they had in stock, and thought would fit? Such things > >> happen. Does it have the foot for the factory bracket? If you look > >> at the base of your old battery, it has a foot molded on the bottom > >> that has a slot where one end of the factory bracket (clamp) fits, or > >> at least mine does. This is a very secure way of holding the battery > >> in place. Batteries without it really need to be shimmed with blocks > >> of wood or some non-conducting material so that they do not move around in the compartment. > >> > >> mcneely > >> > >> ---- PB <pbrattan@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> When I opened my battery compartment, it looked like I already HAD > >>> the > >> perfect > >>> battery > >>> < > >> http://s74.photobucket.com/user/edtech2000/media/2015-07-07%2018.58.3 > >> 5.jpg.html > >>> ! > >>> It already had a strap and a terminal cover, so I went to Pep Boys > >>> to > >> swap > >>> it out for a new one. The new battery they brought out was a group > >>> 41 Bosch, but NOT THE SAME BATTERY!!! The new one was slightly > >>> taller and narrower from side to side than the old one. We did > >>> decide that > >> including > >>> the height of the strap on the old one, they were both actually the > >>> same height. However, this new one didn't have a strap or a terminal cover. > >>> Pep Boys claimed that my old battery < > >> http://s74.photobucket.com/user/edtech2000/media/2015-07-07%2018.58.3 > >> 5.jpg.html > >>> was discontinued and replaced with this new model < > >> http://static.pepboys.com/images/productImages/56564100/BOSCH-BATTERY > >> -41-675B-TOP.jpg > >>> , > >>> which ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THIS PHOTO, so I decided to keep > >>> my core until I was sure of the fit. > >>> > >>> My husband, who was helping me with the install, fashioned a way to > >>> lower the battery into the compartment by using some ratchet straps > >>> that I already had. Once the battery was in the compartment, the > >>> bolt on the positive battery terminal connector stuck up high enough > >>> to prevent the compartment lid from closing properly. Since it was > >>> already dark when we discovered this, I decided to wait until > >>> tomorrow to check this local > >> place > >>> that specializes in batteries of all sizes and shapes > >>> <http://www.batterypower-inc.com/home.nxg>. In fact, "Battery Power" > >> has > >>> already BUILT a discontinued battery for an electric bicycle I have. > >>> I have also been able to find several motorcycle batteries of very > >>> odd > >> sizes > >>> and shapes, in stock for immediate purchase! Had I known that Pep > >>> Boys > >> did > >>> not have an EXACT replacement for my battery, I would have gone to > >> Battery > >>> Power in the first place. I am sure that one way or another I can > >>> count > >> on > >>> them to either resolve the bolt issue, or sell me a new battery that > >>> will fit as well as the old one. They may even have battery carrying > >>> straps > >> and > >>> terminal caps in stock! > >>> > >>> By the way, while my starter battery was removed from the car, I > >> discovered > >>> that my stereo, dome light, and fluorescent light all worked. I > >>> don't > >> know > >>> if that means that I already have this kind of battery relay system > >>> < > >> http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=2418&category_id=&categ > >> ory_parent_id= > >>> installed. Tomorrow I will take a look at the aux battery to see if > >>> I > >> can > >>> figure it out. I do know that there is a 12-volt receptacle attached > >>> to > >> the > >>> aux battery, and I have used it many times. > >>> > >>> An up date will follow! > >>> Patti > >>> 90 Westy Automatic > >>> Los Angeles > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *♪♫**♥**♫♪♪♫**♥**♫♪♪♫**♥**♫♪♪♫**♥**♫♪* > >>> If it's not on my Smart Phone, it doesn't exist... > >>> ●▬▬▬▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬♥▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬▬▬▬● > >> -- > >> David McNeely > >> > >> > >> > >

-- David McNeely


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