Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 14:35:37 -0700
Reply-To: Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge@RFAN.COM>
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From: Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge@RFAN.COM>
Subject: Re: [WetWesties] The Vanagon cooling system.. it's
counterintuitive.. (long post)
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Looks like Chris got it
https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/end-of-an-era-the-last-air-cooled-automobile-engines/
From: Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM>
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Date: 09/10/2015 02:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WetWesties] The Vanagon cooling system.. it's
counterintuitive.. (long post)
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It's an acronym only if you pronounce it as a word ( like "scuba"),
otherwise it's initials.
Stephen
mobile
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Chris Szpejankowski
<szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Ah, you mean an ACRONYM.
>
> NSU?
>
> Wysłane z iPhone'a
>
> Dnia 10 wrz 2015 o godz. 15:52 szpejankowski@gmail.com napisał(a):
>
>> Name is just letters, not numbers? Hmm, that's tricky. Im familiar with
DKW but their designs were front engine/front wheel drive in that time
frame. 3 cylinder 2-stroke, some of them.
>>
>> Wysłane z iPhone'a
>>
>> Dnia 8 wrz 2015 o godz. 23:25 SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
<scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> napisał(a):
>>
>>> Too bad it's not Fridae.
>>> There are two very good examples of small rear engine/rear radiator US
>>> Model Cars..
>>> Renault Dauphine for one ..which could not even sustain running with
>>> adequate cooling at 70 mph on a highway on a warm day.
>>>
>>> Another one ..great little car actually ...1959 Fiat 600D.
>>> kind of hokey ...fan was belt driven ...mounted on a pedastal coming
off
>>> the side of the block ..
>>> sucket air through engine cover louvers and blew it forward thru a
small
>>> radiator and out and down.
>>> it worked fine though.
>>> Belt tension adjustment was by shims, ala VW Bettle arrangment.
>>>
>>> there have been a few exotics with rear radiators and I believe
Formula
>>> 1 cars use that arrangement.
>>>
>>> OK...triva quiz ..
>>> name a German car that is rear engine air-cooled, inline 4, OHC,
from
>>> the 60's. Sideways mounted rear engine.
>>> a hint ..
>>> name is just letters.
>>>
>>> but rear radiator/s in a Vanagon ..someone build one please ..with
huge
>>> rear side scoops !
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>> On 9/8/2015 5:10 PM, James wrote:
>>>> Ah yes, the argument for rear radiator(s) on a rear engined car, such
as this:
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0koda_1000_MB
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>> Ottawa, ON
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 19:09:29 -1000
>>>>> From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WetWesties] The Vanagon cooling system.. it's
counterintuitive.. (long post)
>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>
>>>>> it's a consequence of the vehicle design ..
>>>>> I DO appreciate that the Vanagon is the last version of the original
>>>>> concept ..
>>>>> oppossed 4 cylinder aluminum rear mounted engine ..
>>>>> that starts with the very very first VW Buses ...1954 or about there
..
>>>>> and they evolved the design through 3 basic versions ( Spitty, Bay
Bus,
>>>>> and Vanagon ) .
>>>>> I like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> rear mounted radiator..or even twin rear mounted small radiators
...not
>>>>> practical generally .
>>>>> Though ...that would keep the major cooling system parts in one
area..
>>>>> and help the weight distribution ..which oddly, on a 2WD Vanagon is
>>>>> about 55 % of the weight is on the front axle.
>>>>>
>>>>> and generally ...a front-mounted radiator is the most
easily-successful
>>>>> arrangement, high air pressure there, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> And sure ...there are scads of cooling system parts ..one of the
Charms
>>>>> of water-cooled Vanagons let's say.
>>>>>> On 9/6/2015 12:17 PM, PSD wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, not counter intuitive just over-complicated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
Behalf Of SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 4:01 PM
>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WetWesties] The Vanagon cooling system.. it's
counterintuitive.. (long post)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldn't say it's counter-intuitive really ..
>>>>
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