Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 00:34:52 -0700
Reply-To: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: VW gets busted (NVC)
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Dear Vanagoniterites
Oopps my bad - the second largest -
oh dear i am such a slow typist i do not have any friday left to comment
further
regards
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:00 AM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> Toyota is the largest car company in the world:
>
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamurphy/2015/05/06/2015-global-2000-the-worlds-biggest-auto-companies/
>
> Do you really think that company size is a predictor of corporate ethics?
> Would you apply the same standard to banks or insurance companies or oil
> companies?
>
> mcneely
>
> ---- Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > Dear Vanagonitered
> >
> > It is my opinion this whole thing is politically motivated - either VW
> was
> > going to locate in Virginia or some other state and the deal went awry or
> > they decided to pull out of virginia or some other state and a
> disgruntled
> > some one or other got his buddy to fund the research and off to the races
> > to get a result -
> > Next call EPA
> > The chances that the largest car company in the world conspired to cheat
> > the EPA so they could sell vehicles in USA -
> > Vanagon with out a sink and stove in Canada is called a station wagon and
> > it actually has something to do with chickens and a poultry import export
> > trade war
> > Regards
> >
> > On Friday, September 18, 2015, Jon VO <jondvo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I would be very surprised if VW is doing exactly what the EPA claims. I
> > > suspect there are complications in the engine management software that
> > > can give the impression of changes when under test. The state run
> > > emissions tests are pretty trivial in most states, the Colorado test is
> > > basically exhaust gas opacity which all the diesels I have had will
> pass
> > > easily. This issue must refer to the qualification tests that the
> > > vehicles go through.
> > > That said, I do not plan on getting the update, but bringing the car
> > > into the dealer for service, one may have no choice. I've got two Jetta
> > > TDI wagons, a 2003, and 2014. The 2014 exhaust is MUCH cleaner, albeit
> > > don't know about NOx. The fuel mileage on the 2003 varies from 43 to
> 50,
> > > on the 2014, 36-42, pretty much what is claimed.
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > On 9/18/2015 8:41 PM, Jason wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here's my take.
> > >>
> > >> These cars have been getting better than EPA published mileage. If
> you
> > >> turn the emissions systems on full time (assuming they are not....)
> your
> > >> mileage will suffer. The EGR will be more active, the DPF will have
> to
> > >> regen more often (burning more fuel so it doesn't plug up....), and
> all of
> > >> the emission related components will plug up/fail sooner. I am all
> for
> > >> less polluting vehicles, but I think the extra emissions these
> vehicles
> > >> are
> > >> potentially pumping out is nothing compared to the coal fired power
> > >> stations in 3rd world countries or ocean liners circumventing the
> earth.
> > >> VW
> > >> must have had issues making mileage and meeting emissions if they
> really
> > >> did what was alleged. Europe has less strict NoX requirements I
> believe,
> > >> making it tougher for VW to meet fleet requirements in North America
> with
> > >> these engines. 2016 TDI's are currently being held at the
> port....Guess
> > >> now we know why!
> > >>
> > >> I'll just shut up now and go fill my airplane with leaded avgas and
> fly it
> > >> over the EPA office. :)
> > >>
> > >> Jason
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Mike Miller <mwmiller6@att.net>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I know a lot of us have the vehicles in question.
> > >>>
> > >>> Question to owners: Are you planning to go in for the recall?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --------------------------------------------
> > >>> On Fri, 9/18/15, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Subject: VW gets busted (NVC)
> > >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >>> Date: Friday, September 18, 2015, 6:37 PM
> > >>>
> > >>> Wow, what were they thinking? I
> > >>> wonder how many owners will go in for the recall
> > >>> though: http://nyti.ms/1MvDn0V
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
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> >
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> --
> David McNeely
>
>
>
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