Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:18:03 -0600
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Subject:      Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
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Yes the BMW exceeded the NoX standards during the on road test. All the vehicles did, although the two VW's exhibited emissions that were "excessively" high and could not be reconciled by the testers.

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> On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:56 PM, <mcneely4@cox.net> <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:

> 
> 1.  No, the BMW they tested did not fail their test.   2.  Other manufacturers ARE being investigated.  mcneely
> 
> ---- Jon VO <jondvo@GMAIL.COM> wrote: 
>> OK then, ALL of the tested vehicles in the WV emissions test 18mo ago
>> failed on NoX emissions. Only VW admits to having "cheated". Based on
>> these results, why are not the other vehicle manufacturers being
>> investigated?
>> JonVO
>> 
>>> On 9/25/2015 11:14 AM, Karl Ploessl wrote:
>>> so we know that VW "cheated". But how was it done?
>>> 
>>> CEO says to his underling: go and get the the diesel engine certified.
>>> Underling goes to his/her underling and tells them get it done. And so on.
>>> Diesel engineer knows that it can't be done and orders the programmers to
>>> put in cheat code. So there must be lots of people involved who "knew", at
>>> least programmers, engineer? Everybody is quiet, doesn't go home and tells
>>> SO about the work? SO doesn't chat with neighbors....
>>> Difficult to imagine that everybody kept a quiet lip... but has to be like
>>> that?
>>> 
>>> What other scenarios are possible?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Richard Smith <richard_smith@gnwc.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Small to medium sized enterprises.
>>>> --
>>>> On Sep 25, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Sudhir Desai <sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM<mailto:
>>>> sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> SME being ? (sorry, the only SME I know is a Subject Matter Expert)
> 
> --
> David McNeely
> 
>