Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:40:22 -0700
Reply-To: eve Appleton <appleton_eve@YAHOO.COM>
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From: eve Appleton <appleton_eve@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
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If u read the entire article GM and Toyota have cheated, been investigated, n paid. There's big money in getting product out before all failsafes r tested. Even with the recall the cars n company name is out there. Demand is established. The consumer now controls outcome. If they love their car ... N lets not forget the investigation has just started. By the time it ends it will be forgotten by the consumer public n outcome minimal. Any aftermath will merely be a show for his associates legal deniability. Thats why ceo's get the big bucks (n up front): the risk value n lawyers fees. They gamble with the inevitable making massive profits for the stockholders in the meanwhile.
Theres a known working standard in big biz that fines r cheaper to pay then producing a tried n true product. N there's always the "if we get caught factor" That's why EPA's n their likes r formed. Well more to give illusion of care n safety to the consumer. Note how they always find issue after the fact. An honest organization would find problem up front. They're all in bed together. Thats just fact. If this weren't true u'd c them riding pharmaceutical companies with vigor. Car companies r just much easier target n not as comparatively wealthy or powerful. I swaer its all just a big time show for the wee people: the u n me.
Where theres money to be made theres corruption. The little people it affects r merely viewed as collateral damage. And until the consumer wakes up to this reality, nothing will change. Im sure the fallen ceo is sipping cognac at his club n getting in some downtime with family while awaiting his next big biz assignment. Because there will be another. He's just made his self a household name. And in the world of big biz that merits a good ol boys , "Well done!"
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From:"Jeff Palmer" <jpalmer@MYMTS.NET>
Date:Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:01 AM
Subject:Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
They probably are.
Jeff
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> On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Jon VO <jondvo@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> OK then, ALL of the tested vehicles in the WV emissions test 18mo ago
> failed on NoX emissions. Only VW admits to having "cheated". Based on
> these results, why are not the other vehicle manufacturers being
> investigated?
> JonVO
>
>> On 9/25/2015 11:14 AM, Karl Ploessl wrote:
>> so we know that VW "cheated". But how was it done?
>>
>> CEO says to his underling: go and get the the diesel engine certified.
>> Underling goes to his/her underling and tells them get it done. And so on.
>> Diesel engineer knows that it can't be done and orders the programmers to
>> put in cheat code. So there must be lots of people involved who "knew", at
>> least programmers, engineer? Everybody is quiet, doesn't go home and tells
>> SO about the work? SO doesn't chat with neighbors....
>> Difficult to imagine that everybody kept a quiet lip... but has to be like
>> that?
>>
>> What other scenarios are possible?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Richard Smith <richard_smith@gnwc.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Small to medium sized enterprises.
>>> --
>>> On Sep 25, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Sudhir Desai <sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM<mailto:
>>> sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>>
>>> SME being ? (sorry, the only SME I know is a Subject Matter Expert)
>>>
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