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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 2015 20:37:28 +0200
Reply-To:     Raimund Feussner <ray@V6BUS.DE>
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From:         Raimund Feussner <ray@V6BUS.DE>
Subject:      Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
Comments: To: jpalmer@MYMTS.NET
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And the results are not in yet?

I doubt it is VW´s crappy engineering that fails emissions tests. All other OEMs certainly fail,too: BMW X3. It has no cheat software, but on the road it still blows more crap into the air than on the emissions´ test roll.

In Germany it is quite easy: The emissions test pretends a nice city drive, and a highway road afterwards. The top speed of the highway test cycle is 120km/h (about 70-75 mph ?).

In "real" life, if in Germany the top highway speed is not limited, you can go as fast as you want. At 120mph, a 200+ hp X3 will definitely not meet its emissions that it´s supposed to meet at the test´s max of 70mph.

So the news: X3 is eleven (!) times over the limit. So is any other model that goes beyond 120km/h, I bet. Is that illegal? I don´t know because the vehicle didn´t fail the test.

VW used an intelligent software, that is probably illegal.

Also, most Diesels use the Bosch EDC engine management. If this allows the cheat code, why would any other manufacturer not take advantage of it?! That´s why I think, sooner or later all the Bosch-driven cars will fail.

Regards Raimund

Am 25.09.2015 um 20:01 schrieb Jeff Palmer: > They probably are. > > Jeff > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Jon VO <jondvo@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >> >> OK then, ALL of the tested vehicles in the WV emissions test 18mo ago >> failed on NoX emissions. Only VW admits to having "cheated". Based on >> these results, why are not the other vehicle manufacturers being >> investigated? >> JonVO >> >>> On 9/25/2015 11:14 AM, Karl Ploessl wrote: >>> so we know that VW "cheated". But how was it done? >>> >>> CEO says to his underling: go and get the the diesel engine certified. >>> Underling goes to his/her underling and tells them get it done. And so on. >>> Diesel engineer knows that it can't be done and orders the programmers to >>> put in cheat code. So there must be lots of people involved who "knew", at >>> least programmers, engineer? Everybody is quiet, doesn't go home and tells >>> SO about the work? SO doesn't chat with neighbors.... >>> Difficult to imagine that everybody kept a quiet lip... but has to be like >>> that? >>> >>> What other scenarios are possible? >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Richard Smith <richard_smith@gnwc.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Small to medium sized enterprises. >>>> -- >>>> On Sep 25, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Sudhir Desai <sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM<mailto: >>>> sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM>> wrote: >>>> >>>> SME being ? (sorry, the only SME I know is a Subject Matter Expert) >>>>


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