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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:53:58 -0700
Reply-To:     Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
Comments: To: Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de>
In-Reply-To:  <56059468.3080503@v6bus.de>
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Dear Vangoniterites

here is a news link to the state broadcaster CBC

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/how-emissions-tests-that-exposed-vw-scandal-were-done-1.3243461

with loads of links to other aspects of the story as they see it

this issue is not over yet - and it would be my bet that there is a lot more here than meets the eye as the hatred for anything with fossil fuels continues to gain momentum and the delight for anything electric gains popularity - Long live the Regan-mobile -- isn't that a thing? From the happy times of never weren't.

regards

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> wrote:

> And the results are not in yet? > > I doubt it is VW´s crappy engineering that fails emissions tests. All > other OEMs certainly fail,too: > BMW X3. It has no cheat software, but on the road it still blows more > crap into the air than on the emissions´ test roll. > > In Germany it is quite easy: > The emissions test pretends a nice city drive, and a highway road > afterwards. > The top speed of the highway test cycle is 120km/h (about 70-75 mph ?). > > In "real" life, if in Germany the top highway speed is not limited, you > can go as fast as you want. > At 120mph, a 200+ hp X3 will definitely not meet its emissions that it´s > supposed to meet at the test´s max of 70mph. > > So the news: X3 is eleven (!) times over the limit. So is any other > model that goes beyond 120km/h, I bet. > Is that illegal? I don´t know because the vehicle didn´t fail the test. > > VW used an intelligent software, that is probably illegal. > > Also, most Diesels use the Bosch EDC engine management. If this allows > the cheat code, why would any other manufacturer not take advantage of it?! > That´s why I think, sooner or later all the Bosch-driven cars will fail. > > Regards > Raimund > > > > > > Am 25.09.2015 um 20:01 schrieb Jeff Palmer: > >> They probably are. >> >> Jeff >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Jon VO <jondvo@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>> >>> OK then, ALL of the tested vehicles in the WV emissions test 18mo ago >>> failed on NoX emissions. Only VW admits to having "cheated". Based on >>> these results, why are not the other vehicle manufacturers being >>> investigated? >>> JonVO >>> >>> On 9/25/2015 11:14 AM, Karl Ploessl wrote: >>>> so we know that VW "cheated". But how was it done? >>>> >>>> CEO says to his underling: go and get the the diesel engine certified. >>>> Underling goes to his/her underling and tells them get it done. And so >>>> on. >>>> Diesel engineer knows that it can't be done and orders the programmers >>>> to >>>> put in cheat code. So there must be lots of people involved who "knew", >>>> at >>>> least programmers, engineer? Everybody is quiet, doesn't go home and >>>> tells >>>> SO about the work? SO doesn't chat with neighbors.... >>>> Difficult to imagine that everybody kept a quiet lip... but has to be >>>> like >>>> that? >>>> >>>> What other scenarios are possible? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Richard Smith <richard_smith@gnwc.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Small to medium sized enterprises. >>>>> -- >>>>> On Sep 25, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Sudhir Desai <sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM >>>>> <mailto: >>>>> sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> SME being ? (sorry, the only SME I know is a Subject Matter Expert) >>>>> >>>>>

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