Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 11:59:48 -0700
Reply-To: Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
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I'm pretty sure a VW buy-back program will be coming along real soon...
Cheers,
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Jack Botts
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 5:58 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
Here's how it affects Joe-VW-owner. I bought a used 2014 Passat TDI SE about
4 months ago. I sold a LOVED 2005 Jetta TDI Wagon (so, before the current VW
diesel shenanigans). If I needed to sell this Passat for, who knows why --
illness, stock losses,
I'm-not-sure-I-am-excited-about-automatic-for-the-first-time-since-1965 --
where does this leave ME? No one will buy it, VW won't buy it, I can't trade
it. Between my son and me, we have owned about 14 Volkswagens. I have
friends who are VW enthusiasts. We thought that there was something more
than regular car ownership associated with VW ownership. What we thought was
a different car company turns out to be just another greedy, short-sighted,
dishonest modern huge business. If the (3rd '86 Weekender) Vanagon didn't
meet our needs so perfectly, I would sell it tomorrow and skedaddle from
vanagon.com and anything VW-related.
Jack Botts
Columbia, MO
'86 Vanagon Westfalia Weekender
'14 Passat SE TDI
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:31:43 -1000
> From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM
> Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
> it's a big deal because....
>
> 1. VW is supposed to be 'the people's car' ...like we love and trust
> good ole friendly VW. They cultivate that even.
>
> 2. They are one of the major car companies it the world now, owning
> Porsche, Audi, Bugatti, Bentley, Lamborghini and others.
>
> 3. IT WAS INTENTIONAL DECEPTION.
> they tricked everyone ..apparently intentionally ...the faithful
> VW-loving owner... the Environmentally Conscious , The EPA and so on.
> It wasn't a mistake or incompetence...apparently so far, it appears it
> was intentional deception. Major Fraud even.
>
> 4. It's very far-reaching ..may involve up to 11 million diesel VW
> cars around the planet.
>
> 5. it may have far reaching, possibly devastating consequences in
> stock value, raw hard expense to the company ...damage to their
> reputation and so on.
>
> 6. it could affect the global economy ..particularly in stock values.
>
> 7. it's dragging in other companies who may also have secret defeat
> software in their vehicles.
>
> 8. Germany, and german engineering is supposed to be So Superior .
> ..in Germany they are in a bit of national embarrassment even.
> .... just like when that Luftansa pilot intentionally crashed a
> planeload of passengers into a mountain ....'this is not supposed to
> happen in very controlled, very regulated, hyper sober Germany. "
> So it's a blow to a national and cultural pride in near perfection.
>
> 9. Other major scandals like Toyota's unintended acceleration debacle
> a few years ago ..was due to mistakes and not catching potential flaws
> in design ...
> This one was Intentional Deception.
>
> 10...and harm to the planet, which is ..appears to me, on the cusp of
> really being in a lot of trouble climate , water, and fire-wise.
>
> those are a few of the reasons its such a big deal.
> Scott
>
>
> On 9/28/2015 8:10 AM, Dan N wrote:
> > according to what I read so far... all car manufacturers cheat one
> > way or another - it happened in the past and going on now - they will
find more...
> >
> > the only thing I don't understand is why VW mistake is a BIG issue now..
> >
> > looks like they dig in a trash bin and pull out a BIG piece of
> > trash.. but trash is trash big or small... it's still trash... right?
> >
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