Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 01:32:42 +0000
Reply-To: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: slightly prior to friday with apology to mod - Re: NVC Re: VW
gave diesel drivers what they wanted!
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Righteousness... the most expensive of all emotions. thanks for this.
Jim
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 7:50 PM Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com>
wrote:
> dear vanagoniterites
>
> i followed that portland paper waster and left them an environmentally
> friendly message on biodegradable paper, written in ink certified to be
> iron and carbon free & sourced from organic plants which was pasted to
> their door with certified organic biodegradable glue.
>
> The note said - in 7.5pt calligraphy font
>
> Dear Angry Person
>
> I agree with you - we are killing our precious planet with all we do -
> we must with haste return to the days of beeswax candles and pottery
> crockery
> we must clean ourselves with lye soap made in organic shops -
> hemp and wool shirts for all with only the food you can grow in your
> allotment deemed as that which you can eat.
>
> please join me in the commons tomorrow at the hour of the rise of the moon
> where we shall collectively place our 32 gb iphone 6sc into the great
> crusher -
> place our rubber tired, carbon fibre bicycles into the crusher and we shall
> together damn the coal industry used to create such in-human things as
> carbon fibre and aluminum and the mother of all horrible inventions steel
> and and dare we even mention the poison of refined gold -
> Together we shall place our vehicles in the crusher where they will
> demolished and returned to the earth -
>
> we shall return to caves and grass houses to save the forests and as for
> myself --
> my kin folk are building a cedar canoe - once we have found a suitable log
> dead and down in the forest - which we will fashion by hand scratching out
> the centre with a sharp rock we have found -
> in said canoe we shall venture onto the waves - without the safe benefit of
> a militaristic armed and aggressive coast guard, radios or radar - and
> there upon the waves we shall commence to hunt whales which we shall render
> for their oil so we may light and heat our coastal cave dwelling -
>
> my sister who likes the warmth is headed to the southern climates where she
> shall after walking to her destination - claim a place in the palm oil
> society -
>
> my brother who is also less sea going shall head to the prairie where he
> believes the capture of peat and dung for purposes of heating and cooking
> shall be so much easier than whaling - good luck to him i say
>
> Righteous Anger such as you have shown me today shall not be a part of our
> society as we are going to have no corporations or greed and everyone shall
> profit from the efforts of everyone else - i know someone else will do my
> part while i am whaling - --- -- --- your co warrior and shepherd of
> ...WHAT's RIGHT.
>
> So anyway just as i was walking back to my Gru vehicle {
> http://despicableme.wikia.com/wiki/Grumobile } to go to StarCities Best
> for
> a 12 $ coffee i got a Twitterbook up date from the Angry Person who claimed
> indignation and further anger at my support for their cause -
>
> ya just can't win -
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:10 PM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott ) <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
> > You could work for VW since you are so skilled at Justifying illegality
> !
> > "We're just giving them what they want ! ' ..and hey ...if we have
> > to trick the regulators a little to do that ...that's ok.
> >
> > That would be an interesting poll :
> > what portion of VW diesel owners bought their car largely because they
> > are suppossidly 'clean' and not environmentally so harmful ?
> >
> > or ...of the 3 biggies .....fuel economy, power/driveability and
> > environmental correctness..
> > what wight would they give to each category ?
> >
> > I suspect that joe average consumer is concerned first with their own
> > personal benefit, and less so about the larger environmental picture.
> > < lol...and that is what is taught subtly and pervasively throughout
> > Consumerism ..it's all about what you can get for yourself. >
> >
> > In Portland OR, just on the tv news the other night ..
> > a diesel car owner found a note on his windshield in the morning
> > ...blasting him for driving a polluting car.
> > This is 'So Portland' was the guy's reaction.
> > Scott
> >
> > On 10/1/2015 9:29 AM, James wrote:
> >
> >> The opposite argument to this is that they did it for the faithful VW
> >> loving diesel owner.
> >> Let me explain this alternate argument.
> >>
> >> If you have a VW diesel, you probably value its fuel economy and power
> >> most - not many people outside of the LA and Frankfurt 'smog basins' or
> the
> >> EPA care that much about NOx. By running with this 'trick' software, VW
> >> gave owners the best of both worlds - a car that will pass emissions
> tests
> >> as required by governments, AND a car that gets fabulous fuel economy
> and
> >> great power in real-world driving.
> >>
> >> I know very few VW diesel owners who boast about their car's low
> >> pollution numbers. I know a lot of VW diesel owners who boast about
> their
> >> car's power and exceptional fuel economy - about how they get even
> better
> >> fuel mileage than the EPA/Transport Canada estimates.
> >>
> >> In that sense, VW was just giving its faithful diesel owners EXACTLY
> what
> >> they wanted.
> >>
> >> Pity that what VW diesel drivers wanted was technically impossible, and
> >> the VW solution to give it to them was thus illegal.
> >>
> >>
> >> James
> >> Ottawa, ON
> >>
> >> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:31:43 -1000
> >>> From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM
> >>> Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
> >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>>
> >>> it's a big deal because....
> >>>
> >>> 3. IT WAS INTENTIONAL DECEPTION.
> >>> they tricked everyone ..apparently intentionally ...the faithful
> >>> VW-loving owner...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
> --
> roger whittaker 604.414.6266
>
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