Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:34:50 -0500
Reply-To: Abel Longoria <houstonphotog@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Abel Longoria <houstonphotog@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Kickstarter: Pan American trip by two guys from Calfornia.
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Looks like they met their goal! Congrats Miles and Aaron. Exciting times!
Abel.
On Oct 1, 2015 8:24 PM, "Abel Longoria" <houstonphotog@gmail.com> wrote:
> People can give if they like or not...
>
> I wish I was in the position to travel to South America in my van but I'm
> not. So I like to see others that can do it for me!
>
> I donated and it's not a charity. I'm purchasing a DVD, a book and shirt.
> That's how I see it. It's not like you give and get nothing in return. My
> purchase is helping them make the trek I can't... I'll be living
> vicariously though their man instagram posts as if I'm along for the ride.
>
> If you don't want to help, you don't have to.
>
> Abel.
> On Oct 1, 2015 8:18 PM, "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> I have learned, 'the hard way' that, generally 'Charity is not
>> Empowering' .
>> So I don't do it much ..
>> since it doesn't seem to really energize and empower people..
>> rather, they tend to expect handouts, like that's the normal way now.
>>
>> whole other subject of course, so wont' say much ..
>> I would say that 'younger people' tend to expect charity ..
>> I alxo think they gov offers way too much to way too many people ..thus
>> enslaving people to being semi-dysfunctional.
>> They encourage it even.
>> ( I know people on SSI that are no more depressed, or bipolar, or
>> physically in pain than I am. )
>> Too political I know.
>>
>> Doesn't bother me that these guys are seeking crowdfunding...it's the
>> modern way.
>> I'm not particularity motivated to help pay for their project .
>> and so far, i don't get that it's particularly any different than
>> thousands of other long van trips, even documented ones.
>> Like what's new and different about this journey really ?
>>
>> but hey ..they are free to Ask all they want !
>>
>> On 10/1/2015 2:46 PM, Dan N wrote:
>>
>>> Ben T...
>>>
>>> take it easy... generosity is wonderful trait.. I give often to charities
>>> and homeless people...
>>>
>>> I am sure most of you guys on this forum do that too...
>>>
>>> the thing is we don't get used to being ask edfor $$ without good
>>> cause...
>>>
>>> here are 2 examples...
>>>
>>> - asking funds for a trip... for recording gears and other post
>>> processing
>>> fees
>>>
>>> - my son get hit by a drunk driver 2 weeks ago.. he's OK, no injuries...
>>> now he need a car to go to work... I am rushing to fix my '85 tintop so I
>>> can give it to him... I don't ask or go to the internet asking for fun...
>>>
>>> which one has a good cause?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
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