1. I have encountered a good number of people who spoke favorably of the VW diesels because they were "clean." When they were not being imported, people argued that if we could just get the "clean" diesels over here, our air would improve. VW heavily advertised the "clean" aspect of the engines, and people bought it. That's not to say that they weren't hoping for a winning combination of clean, fast acceleration, and good gas mileage. But in the aftermath of the fraud becoming public knowledge, lots of people with these cars have stated that their reasons for buying them were the good mileage and the low emissions.

2. It doesn't seem to be impossible for other manufacturers.

Why the love of VW? Their cars, like most European cars, require more maintenance than most.

I have the camper because it is unique in what it offers, not because it is VW. I have no brand loyalty for any manufactured product. When I buy something, I'm in it for me, a real free libertarian type in that regard (though not otherwise).

mcneely

---- James <jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: > The opposite argument to this is that they did it for the faithful VW loving diesel owner. > Let me explain this alternate argument. > > If you have a VW diesel, you probably value its fuel economy and power most - not many people outside of the LA and Frankfurt 'smog basins' or the EPA care that much about NOx. By running with this 'trick' software, VW gave owners the best of both worlds - a car that will pass emissions tests as required by governments, AND a car that gets fabulous fuel economy and great power in real-world driving. > > I know very few VW diesel owners who boast about their car's low pollution numbers. I know a lot of VW diesel owners who boast about their car's power and exceptional fuel economy - about how they get even better fuel mileage than the EPA/Transport Canada estimates. > > In that sense, VW was just giving its faithful diesel owners EXACTLY what they wanted. > > Pity that what VW diesel drivers wanted was technically impossible, and the VW solution to give it to them was thus illegal. > > > James > Ottawa, ON > > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:31:43 -1000 > > From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM > > Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > > it's a big deal because.... > > > > > > > 3. IT WAS INTENTIONAL DECEPTION. > > they tricked everyone ..apparently intentionally ...the faithful > > VW-loving owner... > > > >

-- David McNeely