Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:45:25 -0700
Reply-To: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW gave diesel drivers what they wanted!
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dear vangoniterites and fellow companions of the use of fossil fuels
Powell River - my place of current lodging - just got recognized in the
Guinness Book of World records as having the cleanest air in the world -
in 1970 mother earth news qualified this area as the place to run to when
the big one hits -
The whole world is not held hostage to fossil fuel at all -
the life span of humans shares the same graph configuration as the use
fossil fuels - up since the turn of the 1900's and rising -
in early 1900's the # one form of death outside of war was child birth -
and the average lifespan was below 45 years -
the use of kerosene than gasoline and so on increased and so began our own
life span increase as we utilized fossil fuel energy (the biggest bang for
per gallon hp/kw exchange of energy) - so as we retard to hair shirts and
hemp what ever - think for a minute about what we can not even remember -
but our kin folk over 89 years can certainly recall -
regards
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:47 AM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> The rest of North America is not "hostage to California standards." Air
> pollution due to vehicular emissions is a problem in many parts of the U.S.
> outside of California, places like Denver, Dallas, Houston, all up and down
> the East Coast. Many times when I approach a major city, whether by air or
> by road, I can see that the air is brown. That does not have to be a city
> in California.
>
> What the country is hostage to is the automobile and fossil fuel lobbies
> that have prevented us from having better standards than we do.
>
> mcneely
>
> ---- Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > I have a buddy who not only believes this argument - he goes further to
> > state that good for VW to have figured it out -
> > I am of a mind to support that idea as well - not the illegal part but
> the
> > part that says that the rest of North America should not be held hostage
> to
> > California standards of compliance -
> > Which make no sense in the real world where you need power to get up a
> hill
> > and breaking energy to stop going down
> > Regards
> > On Thursday, October 1, 2015, James <jk_eaton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The opposite argument to this is that they did it for the faithful VW
> > > loving diesel owner.
> > > Let me explain this alternate argument.
> > >
> > > If you have a VW diesel, you probably value its fuel economy and power
> > > most - not many people outside of the LA and Frankfurt 'smog basins'
> or the
> > > EPA care that much about NOx. By running with this 'trick' software,
> VW
> > > gave owners the best of both worlds - a car that will pass emissions
> tests
> > > as required by governments, AND a car that gets fabulous fuel economy
> and
> > > great power in real-world driving.
> > >
> > > I know very few VW diesel owners who boast about their car's low
> pollution
> > > numbers. I know a lot of VW diesel owners who boast about their car's
> > > power and exceptional fuel economy - about how they get even better
> fuel
> > > mileage than the EPA/Transport Canada estimates.
> > >
> > > In that sense, VW was just giving its faithful diesel owners EXACTLY
> what
> > > they wanted.
> > >
> > > Pity that what VW diesel drivers wanted was technically impossible, and
> > > the VW solution to give it to them was thus illegal.
> > >
> > >
> > > James
> > > Ottawa, ON
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:31:43 -1000
> > > > From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM <javascript:;>
> > > > Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
> > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <javascript:;>
> > > >
> > > > it's a big deal because....
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 3. IT WAS INTENTIONAL DECEPTION.
> > > > they tricked everyone ..apparently intentionally ...the faithful
> > > > VW-loving owner...
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > roger whittaker 604.414.6266
> >
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>
> --
> David McNeely
>
>
>
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