Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:54:09 -1000
Reply-To: "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Organization: Cosmic Reminders
Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW gave diesel drivers what they wanted!
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ok..
my apologies. I was just givin' ya a hard time about words 'vw gave
consumers what they wanted' ...( and VW had to cheat a little to do
it. )
Exactly what your viewpoint is , is not clear to me. Care to try again.
? ..about the VW engineers' thinking.
Just read your original post.
I still don't see what 'new viewpoint' you are expressing. ..
other than....
They gave VW car owners what they wanted and they did what it took to
accomplish that. ( that happens to be cheating on emission testing ) .
what am I missing ?
Scott
On 10/2/2015 5:22 AM, James wrote:
> Scott,
>
> I did not 'Justify illegality' and I would thank you not to put words
> in my mouth.
>
> I did give an alternate viewpoint that may have been in the mind of VW
> engineers when they committed this illegality; a viewpoint that has
> not appeared yet in any news on this issue that I have seen, yet would
> be important to the VW diesel drivers I know.
>
> At the end of my post, I made it clear that I know that VW's actions
> were illegal.
>
> James
> Ottawa, ON
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW gave diesel drivers what they wanted!
> To: jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> From: scottdaniel@turbovans.com
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:10:25 -1000
>
> You could work for VW since you are so skilled at Justifying
> illegality !
> "We're just giving them what they want ! ' ..and hey ...if we have
> to trick the regulators a little to do that ...that's ok.
>
> That would be an interesting poll :
> what portion of VW diesel owners bought their car largely because they
> are suppossidly 'clean' and not environmentally so harmful ?
>
> or ...of the 3 biggies .....fuel economy, power/driveability and
> environmental correctness..
> what wight would they give to each category ?
>
> I suspect that joe average consumer is concerned first with their own
> personal benefit, and less so about the larger environmental picture.
> < lol...and that is what is taught subtly and pervasively
> throughout Consumerism ..it's all about what you can get for yourself. >
>
> In Portland OR, just on the tv news the other night ..
> a diesel car owner found a note on his windshield in the morning
> ...blasting him for driving a polluting car.
> This is 'So Portland' was the guy's reaction.
> Scott
>
> On 10/1/2015 9:29 AM, James wrote:
>
> The opposite argument to this is that they did it for the faithful VW loving diesel owner.
> Let me explain this alternate argument.
>
> If you have a VW diesel, you probably value its fuel economy and power most - not many people outside of the LA and Frankfurt 'smog basins' or the EPA care that much about NOx. By running with this 'trick' software, VW gave owners the best of both worlds - a car that will pass emissions tests as required by governments, AND a car that gets fabulous fuel economy and great power in real-world driving.
>
> I know very few VW diesel owners who boast about their car's low pollution numbers. I know a lot of VW diesel owners who boast about their car's power and exceptional fuel economy - about how they get even better fuel mileage than the EPA/Transport Canada estimates.
>
> In that sense, VW was just giving its faithful diesel owners EXACTLY what they wanted.
>
> Pity that what VW diesel drivers wanted was technically impossible, and the VW solution to give it to them was thus illegal.
>
>
> James
> Ottawa, ON
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:31:43 -1000
> From:scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM <mailto:scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
> Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
> To:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>
> it's a big deal because....
>
> 3. IT WAS INTENTIONAL DECEPTION.
> they tricked everyone ..apparently intentionally ...the faithful
> VW-loving owner...
>
>
>
>
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