http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/opinion/test-emissions-where-cars-pollute-on-the-road.html
Ted
On Oct 2, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> The net effect is the type of emissions. Reduced efficiency means in
> increase in the carbon footprint. A little CO2 won't kill you. A little NOx
> will. If increasing the efficiency increases the creation and release of
> harmful compounds such as NOx that is a problem and that is the main issue
> here. NOx is on the radar in any area with air quality issues. These areas
> have regulations for most fuel burning appliances including furnaces,
> boilers, and water heaters. NOx is the major reason that vehicle
> modifications are frowned upon. Most anything you do to increase power or
> performance is going effect the NOx production. Even changing tire sizes and
> gearing changes the emissions characteristics under load.
>
> Being familiar with many different vehicles, VW has always tried to cheap
> out on emissions controls. These vehicles probably should have had the urea
> injection systems that many other 2007 and later Diesels have to reduce the
> NOx.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Angus Gordon
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:22 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW gave diesel drivers what they wanted!
>
> Actually James makes a very valid point, in that both fuel efficiency and
> tailpipe emissions must be considered. If VW cuts tailpipe emissions in
> terms of PPM at the expense of fuel economy, what is the net effect?
> Consideration should be given to measuring emissions output per mile, along
> with minimal fuel use. That would be something useful.
>
> Angus
>
>
>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 3:10 PM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
> <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>>
>> You could work for VW since you are so skilled at Justifying illegality !
>> "We're just giving them what they want ! ' ..and hey ...if we have
>> to trick the regulators a little to do that ...that's ok.
>>
>> That would be an interesting poll :
>> what portion of VW diesel owners bought their car largely because
>> they are suppossidly 'clean' and not environmentally so harmful ?
>>
>> or ...of the 3 biggies .....fuel economy, power/driveability and
>> environmental correctness..
>> what wight would they give to each category ?
>>
>> I suspect that joe average consumer is concerned first with their own
>> personal benefit, and less so about the larger environmental picture.
>> < lol...and that is what is taught subtly and pervasively throughout
>> Consumerism ..it's all about what you can get for yourself. >
>>
>> In Portland OR, just on the tv news the other night ..
>> a diesel car owner found a note on his windshield in the morning
>> ...blasting him for driving a polluting car.
>> This is 'So Portland' was the guy's reaction.
>> Scott
>>
>>> On 10/1/2015 9:29 AM, James wrote:
>>> The opposite argument to this is that they did it for the faithful VW
> loving diesel owner.
>>> Let me explain this alternate argument.
>>>
>>> If you have a VW diesel, you probably value its fuel economy and power
> most - not many people outside of the LA and Frankfurt 'smog basins' or the
> EPA care that much about NOx. By running with this 'trick' software, VW
> gave owners the best of both worlds - a car that will pass emissions tests
> as required by governments, AND a car that gets fabulous fuel economy and
> great power in real-world driving.
>>>
>>> I know very few VW diesel owners who boast about their car's low
> pollution numbers. I know a lot of VW diesel owners who boast about their
> car's power and exceptional fuel economy - about how they get even better
> fuel mileage than the EPA/Transport Canada estimates.
>>>
>>> In that sense, VW was just giving its faithful diesel owners EXACTLY what
> they wanted.
>>>
>>> Pity that what VW diesel drivers wanted was technically impossible, and
> the VW solution to give it to them was thus illegal.
>>>
>>>
>>> James
>>> Ottawa, ON
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:31:43 -1000
>>>> From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>
>>>> it's a big deal because....
>>>>
>>>> 3. IT WAS INTENTIONAL DECEPTION.
>>>> they tricked everyone ..apparently intentionally ...the faithful
>>>> VW-loving owner...
>>>>
>>>
