Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:56:01 -0500
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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW gave diesel drivers what they wanted!
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See, we are hostage to fossil fuels adn the automobile. But that can end, without sacrificing quality of life.
---- Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com> wrote:
> dear vangoniterites and fellow companions of the use of fossil fuels
>
> Powell River - my place of current lodging - just got recognized in the
> Guinness Book of World records as having the cleanest air in the world -
> in 1970 mother earth news qualified this area as the place to run to when
> the big one hits -
>
> The whole world is not held hostage to fossil fuel at all -
>
> the life span of humans shares the same graph configuration as the use
> fossil fuels - up since the turn of the 1900's and rising -
> in early 1900's the # one form of death outside of war was child birth -
> and the average lifespan was below 45 years -
> the use of kerosene than gasoline and so on increased and so began our own
> life span increase as we utilized fossil fuel energy (the biggest bang for
> per gallon hp/kw exchange of energy) - so as we retard to hair shirts and
> hemp what ever - think for a minute about what we can not even remember -
> but our kin folk over 89 years can certainly recall -
>
> regards
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:47 AM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > The rest of North America is not "hostage to California standards." Air
> > pollution due to vehicular emissions is a problem in many parts of the U.S.
> > outside of California, places like Denver, Dallas, Houston, all up and down
> > the East Coast. Many times when I approach a major city, whether by air or
> > by road, I can see that the air is brown. That does not have to be a city
> > in California.
> >
> > What the country is hostage to is the automobile and fossil fuel lobbies
> > that have prevented us from having better standards than we do.
> >
> > mcneely
> >
> > ---- Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > > I have a buddy who not only believes this argument - he goes further to
> > > state that good for VW to have figured it out -
> > > I am of a mind to support that idea as well - not the illegal part but
> > the
> > > part that says that the rest of North America should not be held hostage
> > to
> > > California standards of compliance -
> > > Which make no sense in the real world where you need power to get up a
> > hill
> > > and breaking energy to stop going down
> > > Regards
> > > On Thursday, October 1, 2015, James <jk_eaton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The opposite argument to this is that they did it for the faithful VW
> > > > loving diesel owner.
> > > > Let me explain this alternate argument.
> > > >
> > > > If you have a VW diesel, you probably value its fuel economy and power
> > > > most - not many people outside of the LA and Frankfurt 'smog basins'
> > or the
> > > > EPA care that much about NOx. By running with this 'trick' software,
> > VW
> > > > gave owners the best of both worlds - a car that will pass emissions
> > tests
> > > > as required by governments, AND a car that gets fabulous fuel economy
> > and
> > > > great power in real-world driving.
> > > >
> > > > I know very few VW diesel owners who boast about their car's low
> > pollution
> > > > numbers. I know a lot of VW diesel owners who boast about their car's
> > > > power and exceptional fuel economy - about how they get even better
> > fuel
> > > > mileage than the EPA/Transport Canada estimates.
> > > >
> > > > In that sense, VW was just giving its faithful diesel owners EXACTLY
> > what
> > > > they wanted.
> > > >
> > > > Pity that what VW diesel drivers wanted was technically impossible, and
> > > > the VW solution to give it to them was thus illegal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > > Ottawa, ON
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:31:43 -1000
> > > > > From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM <javascript:;>
> > > > > Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
> > > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <javascript:;>
> > > > >
> > > > > it's a big deal because....
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. IT WAS INTENTIONAL DECEPTION.
> > > > > they tricked everyone ..apparently intentionally ...the faithful
> > > > > VW-loving owner...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > roger whittaker 604.414.6266
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
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> > > http://www.tvpowellriver.com
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > http://www.prpeak.com/articles/2010/11/29/multimedia/video/doc4c62e5f80d228504902172.txt
> >
> > --
> > David McNeely
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> roger whittaker 604.414.6266
>
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>
> - ca.linkedin.com/pub/roger-whittaker/14/78a/b71/Explore printed work at:
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> View the growing list of video work at:
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> http://www.prpeak.com/articles/2010/11/29/multimedia/video/doc4c62e5f80d228504902172.txt
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David McNeely
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