Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:18:13 -1000
Reply-To:     "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From:         "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Organization: Cosmic Reminders
Subject:      Re: Kickstarter: Pan American trip by two guys from Calfornia.
Comments: To: Dan N <dn92610@GMAIL.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <CAFdLW6m+9JZObcyRz5VBK7v84g4MAk-VHD5vLMv_UBxCtyy=YQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I have learned, 'the hard way' that, generally 'Charity is not Empowering' .
So I don't do it much ..
since it doesn't seem to really energize and empower people..
rather, they tend to expect handouts, like that's the normal way now.

whole other subject of course, so wont' say much ..
I would say that 'younger people' tend to expect charity ..
I alxo think they gov offers way too much to way too many people ..thus
enslaving people to being semi-dysfunctional.
They encourage it even.
(  I know people on SSI that are no more depressed, or bipolar, or
physically in pain than I am. )
Too political I know.

Doesn't bother me that these guys are seeking crowdfunding...it's the
modern way.
I'm not particularity motivated to help pay for their project .
and so far, i don't get that it's particularly any different than
thousands of other long van trips, even documented ones.
Like what's new and different about this journey really ?

but hey ..they are free to Ask all they want !

On 10/1/2015 2:46 PM, Dan N wrote:
> Ben T...
>
> take it easy... generosity is wonderful trait.. I give often to charities
> and homeless people...
>
> I am sure most of you guys on this forum do that too...
>
> the thing is we don't get used to being ask edfor $$ without good cause...
>
> here are 2 examples...
>
> - asking funds for a trip... for recording gears and other post processing
> fees
>
> - my son get hit by a drunk driver 2 weeks ago.. he's OK, no injuries...
> now he need a car to go to work... I am rushing to fix my '85 tintop so I
> can give it to him... I don't ask or go to the internet asking for fun...
>
> which one has a good cause?
>
> thanks
>