Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:52:31 -0800
Reply-To: Raymond Markett <raym02@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Raymond Markett <raym02@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: New engine won't turn - 2.1 WBX
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Hi,
This is along the same line as some other suggestions: How about pulling the valve covers, turning the engine by hand forward and backward, and observing which valves move. That should help to narrow any sticking valve.
First I would make sure you can get TDC to rule out any cam and crank misalignment.
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> On Dec 31, 2015, at 4:27 PM, John Rodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Will do all that. For some, there seems to be a little confusion.
>
> This is a brand new overhaul. All new parts except for crank and case,
> which miked out well within spec. It has never even off the buildup bench.
> Still isn't. Pulling it thru by hand with the heads of, it turns fine.
> Free. Put the heads on fully torgued ready for installation in the van, it
> won't turn.
>
> This has got to be a head problem and a valve problem at that. The AMC
> valves that came with it were replaced with TRW valves. Seats retouched for
> three faces, valves snd seats hand lapped together. There shouldn't be any
> thing wrong, but there is. Still hunting for a solution.
>
> Will test Scott's way!
>
> John
> On Dec 31, 2015 15:45, "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> super easy to check for a valve stuck in a guide.
>> heck...
>> a simple test, head on the bench, tap each valve stem top with a hammer.
>> if it bounces back from spring operation ...valve is not stuck in guide.
>>
>> on the engine ..use a prybar of some sort to make sure each valve moves
>> in its guide properly.
>>
>> besides..
>> one *always* *always* checks the smoothe operation and movement of ALL
>> components every step of the way, at every opportunity.
>>
>> flywheel shims and bits there are good to consider of course.
>> Scott
>>
>>> On 12/31/2015 6:41 AM, OlRivrRat wrote:
>>>
>>> Only Problem with Those Theories is that he said it Turns Fine
>>> Without the Heads on ~
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Did you try to see if it would Turn Backwards @ all With Heads
>>> on ~
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 Dec , 2015, at 6:31 AM, kenneth wilford (Van-Again) wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Darrell is pointing you in the right direction. There is the
>>>> thrust washer that can easily drop out of place when you install the
>>>> flywheel. Or you miscalculated the thickness of the endplay shims as
>>>> Darrell suggested. Either of those happen way more often than a messed
>>>> up
>>>> valve in a brand new AMC head (never).
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Darrell Boehler <midwesty@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is easy to add not enough shim thickness on the crankshaft.
>>>>> Check the crankshaft for end play. Loosen the Flywheel /torque
>>>>> converter plate
>>>>> then see if it turns then. Been there done that. When testing for
>>>>> crankshaft
>>>>> shim thickness it is easy to add not enough shims because we don't
>>>>> tighten the
>>>>> the flywheel fully during testing / adjusting.
>>>>> Best of luck with your projekt
>>>>> Midwesty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/31/2015 4:30 AM, John Rodgers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine turns beautifully by hand on the bench. Put the new AMC hesds on
>>>>>> with all parts assembled, torque them down, and the beenengine won't
>>>>>> turn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Removed the heads twice, still no joy. Sounds like a valve stuck in a
>>>>>> guide
>>>>>> to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any body else ever had this problem or got an educated opinion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ken Wilford
>>>> John 3:16
>>>> www.vanagain.com
>>>
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