Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:48:32 -0700
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Transmission swap problems: 86 tranny onto 83 engine.
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Rick
I have done about A Half Dozen TranySwaps in the Past year & will Attest to the Fact that the Last 1.5 - 1 in's
Can Definitely Be The GriefZone & it Doesn't seem to Matter How Well All is LinedUp ~ I stumbled on to something many
Tranys back that has worked for Me on several occasions but unfortunately I manage to forget until I have spent way to
much time FightingTheTrany UnderTheBus ~ In Frustration I will SlideOut FromUnder & even with the Rear of the Van'
Up On Ramps Reach Over the Eng', Grab the BellHousing By Its Ears & Pull & It will Just Slide Into Place ~ Leaving Me
Scratching My Head, while maybe Heading for a Beer & saying Why Did That Work & Why The Heck Don't I Remember
That Sooner ~ It MightNot Work for a lot of folks 'cause I am Equipped With 36"Legs Plus 36"Arms ~
ORR~ DeanB
On 5 Jan , 2016, at 12:51 PM, Rick Cooper wrote:
> Thanks Dean. I'm almost certain that the throw-out bearing was fully retracted (it is now, with the tranny out and unless my helper (youngest son) reset it without mentioning it to me...), but will certainly double-check that when we try again. I can't tell you exactly how big the gap was and can't remeasure now since my son is not avail for a couple of days, but from my visual inspections yesterday, I'd guesstimate the gap at about 1.25 - 1.5 inches.
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:21 AM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
> Be Sure that the ThrowOut/Release Bearing is Mounted on the Fork Properly &
>
> that it is Fully Retracted ~ Check that the Gap Between Eng' & BellHousing is Even
>
> All The Way Around ~ How Big is that Gap when You Get Stymied ? ~
>
> ORR ~ DeanB
>
>
> On 5 Jan , 2016, at 12:03 PM, Rick Cooper wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to replace the manual transmission in an '83 Westy with one from
> > an '86 tintop. Quite simply, I can't get the transmission to mate with the
> > 1.9 engine; there is some mechanical obstruction. I think I'm far enough
> > away that the input shaft has not even started into the clutch disc
> > splines; the fresh grease I put on the input shaft has not been disturbed.
> >
> > I don't think its an incompatible parts issue since they appear identical.
> > The transmissions are both stamped 091 301 103D, the pressure plates are
> > marked "Sachs Typ M228" and the clutch discs are both Sachs and measure
> > 228mm in diameter. (The clutch kit from the 1983 is nearly new; the PO
> > told me it had been recently replaced and I was hoping to re-use it.) The
> > input shafts appear identical; the clutch disks from both will slide onto
> > either one of them.
> >
> > Why was I replacing the transmission? Gearing problems -- usually
> > impossible to shift into first from neutral; usually had to get van moving
> > in 2nd and then downshift to 1st. Also issues shifting from 2nd to 3rd.
> > It seemed less expensive to swap in a good used transmission than to have
> > that one rebuilt.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest what the problem might be? (I haven't done many
> > engine/tranny swaps, but I'm experiencing deja vu. I once tried to put the
> > engine from an '88 Chev S10 into a 1991 Chev S10. Same problem; could not
> > get the engine to engage with the 91 transmission's input shaft. Turns out
> > that GM had changed the input shaft size in the intervening years.)
> >
> > Thanks, Rick
>
>
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