Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 06:40:57 -0500
Reply-To: Dennis Jowell <dennisjowell@GMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Dennis Jowell <dennisjowell@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Dodged a bullet -- blowed the oil filter right off Long winded
In-Reply-To: <BAY405-EAS299B191DDBA0F91B4719210A0F20@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Thanks again for all the great information on my Porsche 914 rebuild oil question. Almost time to chase the mice out of the vehicle but they probably would move over to my Westy.
Dennis J
Dennis Jowell
Scotch Hollow Farm
Newbury, Vermont
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't wish to start one of those break in oil wars but with today's oils
> and good filters most of this is not necessary. At 3,000 miles those pistons
> have cycled at least 9,000,000 times. (~3,000 revolutions per mile in 4th
> gear X 3,000 miles). If those rings haven't seated by now they won't get
> better tomorrow. Also, unless using a specific break in oil to speed up the
> "break in) process modern conventional oils still have a robust anti wear-
> friction package so not that much difference there. The varying engine speed
> and reduced load thing may be to help form the carbon ridge and seat the
> rings in the piston lands. That I have seen in a number of owner's manuals.
>
> I do believe in lower cost oil for the first fill and a fast change. Mostly
> because no matter how hard we try there will be some unwanted stuff in a
> rebuilt engine. Also if there is a problem I don't want to throw away the
> more expensive stuff. For oil viscosity even on rebuilt engines I still pay
> attention to the original chart. Note that when you look at oil temperature
> specifications these engines were labeled for maximum oil temperature of
> 168F. I have yet to see any of these engines run there in summer. 190-210 is
> about the best I see on any with an oil temperature gauge.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> OlRivrRat
> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 8:16 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Dodged a bullet -- blowed the oil filter right off Long winded
>
> On 3 Jan , 2016, at 4:53 PM, Dennis Jowell wrote:
>
> Dennis,
> What are your thoughts in using Mobil 1 15w-50 in my Porsche 1973 -2.0
> engine ? I have always used 10w -30 regular oil in it. The engine has about
> only about 3000 miles on it. It is a rebuilt 2.0 engine. Haven't really
> driven it much. My plan is to work on getting it running again in the
> spring. It has sat in my barn for unfortunately several years after I
> rebuilt and refinished the body, the engine etc.
>
> Dennis Jowell
> Scotch Hollow Farm
> Newbury, Vermont
>
>
> DennisJ
>
> I would consider that Eng' to be a "NotBrokeInYet" Eng' so here is
> My 2cents ~ the BreakIn Routine I Adhere To ~
>
> For an H2OBoxer ~ Or Other OldTech Eng'
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w30 ~ 1st Hour ~ then drain it
> 1000-3000RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w30 ~ 0 - 1000 Miles ~ then drain it
> Not over 4000RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w30 ~ 1000 - 2000 Miles ~ then drain it
> Not over 4000RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w40 ~ 2000 - 4000 Miles ~ then drain it
> Not over 4000RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w40 ~ 4000 - 7000 Miles ~ then drain it
> Not over 4400RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w40 ~ 7000 - 10000 Miles ~ then drain it
> Not over 4800RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> FullSynthetic 0w40 or 5w40 ~ 10000 - 14000 & every 4K
> after that until My OilPressureGauge tells me I might want to think about
>
> Upping to a *w50 or
> an Eng'Rebuild
>
> For a ModernEng' ~ Subi or TheLike ~
>
> Same as Above Up To ~ 2000
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w30 ~ 2000 - 4000 Miles ~ then drain it
> Not over 4000RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w30 ~ 4000 - 7000 Miles ~ then drain it
> Not over 4400RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> Conventional/Dino 5w30 ~ 7000 - 10000 Miles ~ then drain it
> Not over 4800RPM ~ Trying not to stay @ any 1 RPM for vary long
>
> FullSynthetic 0w30 or 5w30 ~ 10000 - 14000 & every 4K
> after that until My OilPressureGauge tells me I might want to think about
>
> Upping to a *w40 or
> an Eng'Rebuild
>
>
> ALSO ~ Since that Eng' HasNot been Run in a while I would Drain the
> OldOil Before Any Attempt to Start It Up ~
>
>
> ORR ~ DeanB
