Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:14:52 -0700
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From: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Coolant Loss- is it that time again?
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The cooler needs plumbing and clearance that doesn't exist with the 1.9. So,
you need the complete 2.1 cooling system (including water pump) and the
complete 2.1 exhaust system to make this work. Not so easy or cheap, and
best done along with a rebuild making it into a 2.2!
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Eric Caron
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:48 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Coolant Loss- is it that time again?
Hi Scott and others,
Scott seems to be saying adding the 2.1 oil cooler to the 1.9 is pretty
straight forward. Is that the case? It certainly sounds like something my
1.9 would benifit from. How straight forward is this addition?
What steps are needed?
Thanks,
Eric Caron
85 GL Auto
> On Mar 31, 2016, at 5:47 PM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
<scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>
> I'm always amazed how , evidently, some people seem to resist getting
> Hands On , on the thing..
> and find out what is going on FIRST ..
> before ordering or getting parts.
>
> that's what I suggest..take the dang thing about and see what is going
> on there.
> Could just be a matter of clean up and put back together carefully.
>
> ( sometimes I get the hose further down over the plastic pipe and use
> two hose clamps there. )
>
> one ofmy sayings ..there's no substitute for actually taking apart,
> looking, working on it etc.
> NOTHING will change the situation until that is done first.
>
> in a rare case, yes, you have a working vehicle and you just touch
> something ..
> and totally push things over the edge, and then you don't have a working
> vehicle.
> To be avoided for sure ..
> but really ...get down and dirty ! lol.
>
> Perhaps not many people fix things on a regular basis anymore.
> That's almost 'all I do' .........like 50 times a week or more. Just
> fix and repair and restore stuff.
> it's fun and rewarding, and not expensive to do at all. I encourage it.
> I think there is a terrible lack of 'physicality' in modern life.
> Like splitting firewood, lifting and hauling stuff ...using hands, brain
> and body regularly.
>
> I modified my tricycle before I even went to kindergarten. No one
> taught me how either. Been doing it ever since.
>
> a gallon of coolant is a LOT ....
> long term, if you find a donor Vanagon ..the 2.1 cooling system is
> better for sure, than the 1.9 version.
> btw..ALL parts and systems are interchangeble between 1.9 and 2.1 engines.
> I often run 1.9's on 2.1 Digifant fuel injection, upgrade 1.9's to 2.1
> cooling system, etc.
> I always run the vastly improved 2.1 exhaust system on 1.9 engines.
> And then you can use the 2.1 oil cooler/heat exchanger on your 1.9 .
> Works great.
>
> if you like doing that sort of thing that is.
>
> VROOOM !
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/31/2016 11:25 AM, David wrote:
>> Narrowing down- that's my next inspection point- I'll be pressure
>> testing as well and will post results...I'm assuming that rust color
>> is from the internal piece breaking down...I'm wondering if I should
>> just purchase the Go Westy kit as an ounce of prevention :-/
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 4:39 PM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
>> <scottdaniel@turbovans.com <mailto:scottdaniel@turbovans.com>> wrote:
>>
>> the plastic pipes..
>> particularily at the front ends of them, near the radiator, are
>> notorious for having the a metal insert slip out of place, out of
>> the end of the plastic pipe....causing a leak ..
>>
>> and sometimes, a sudden large leak.
>> I've had it happen out on the road in a seemed-just-fine personal
>> Vanagon, and I've seen a wonderful Vanagon in a junkyard with
>> fried engine for this Exact cause.
>>
>> you might keep an eye on this spot, you might pull the hose off
>> and 're-do' in there, etc.
>> GW sells a kit I gather, as well.
>>
>> fwiw, if I was going to attempt to re-glue the metal insert back
>> into the plastic pipe, I'd use Marine Tex ...one of the best
>> two-part epoxies you'll ever find.
>>
>> in any case..investigate that spot further I suggest !
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 3/31/2016 4:26 AM, David wrote:
>>> Ok, the hunt is on...completely topped up system... Visual inspection
>>> reveals externally, at the worst a rusty spot on one of the forward
coolant
>>> plastic hoses... really? with it idling in the drive, with me revving
it,
>>> it's still bone dry on the outside :-/
>>>
>>> I guess more time needs to pass and need to see more coolant losss...
>>>
>>> Probably time to replace plugs so I'll endeavor into that and maybe
that
>>> will tell me something...Still have to get a pressure gauge on it and
see
>>> what that reveals...if anything from the outside...
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, and initial test with running the van cold fo 30 secs to see
if
>>> any burps come out from combustion getting into coolant turned out
>>> negative....no bubble, nada, nuthin...
>>>
>>> Will post more as I go through this...
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Phil Zimmerman<philzimm1@shaw.ca>
<mailto:philzimm1@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> From: David [mailto:fjazzbass@gmail.com]
>>>>> Any advice is welcome... do we have to check for exhaust in the
coolant?
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 85 1.9 GL MT
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Another internal leak symptom the check if you have not located the
source:
>>>> Pull all four spark plugs, in order and compare their electrodes.
>>>> A clean electrode, if present, will show itself compared to the
normal grey
>>>> to black oil/carbon of combustion. A clean spark-plug electrode is a
sign
>>>> of
>>>> coolant getting into the combustion chamber.
>>>>
>>>> Subaru coolant conditioner has worked wonders for a number of folk
on this
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> Good hunting Dave.
>>>>
>>>> Phil z.
>>>> On his rock off the west coast
>>>>
>>
>>
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