Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 09:30:06 -1000
Reply-To: "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Coolant Loss- is it that time again?
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( A day delayed here...tried to send this yesterday )
sorry ..
not true, you don't need the 2.1 cooling system to run a 2.1 type oil
cooler.
You do need the 2.1 exhaust though of course, for clearance.
see my post on Thursday.
I tell how to plumb an oil cooler/heat exchanger into a 1.9 cooling system,
while using the 2.1 exhaust system on a 1.9, a wonderful upgrade.
Cost depends on how you get the parts.
Once in a while a typical pick n' pull junkyard has this stuff ( tho
engine usually goes fast as a whole unit ) .
I got, for example, with a lot of hard work, and entire 1987 front end ..
springs, suspension arms, brakes, power steering rack ..the Whole Magilla ..
For maybe $ 100.
On 3/31/2016 4:14 PM, Stuart MacMillan wrote:
> The cooler needs plumbing and clearance that doesn't exist with the 1.9. So,
> you need the complete 2.1 cooling system (including water pump) and the
> complete 2.1 exhaust system to make this work. Not so easy or cheap, and
> best done along with a rebuild making it into a 2.2!
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Eric Caron
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:48 PM
> To:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Coolant Loss- is it that time again?
>
> Hi Scott and others,
>
> Scott seems to be saying adding the 2.1 oil cooler to the 1.9 is pretty
> straight forward. Is that the case? It certainly sounds like something my
> 1.9 would benifit from. How straight forward is this addition?
> What steps are needed?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Eric Caron
> 85 GL Auto
>
>
>
>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 5:47 PM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
> <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>> I'm always amazed how , evidently, some people seem to resist getting
>> Hands On , on the thing..
>> and find out what is going on FIRST ..
>> before ordering or getting parts.
>>
>> that's what I suggest..take the dang thing about and see what is going
>> on there.
>> Could just be a matter of clean up and put back together carefully.
>>
>> ( sometimes I get the hose further down over the plastic pipe and use
>> two hose clamps there. )
>>
>> one ofmy sayings ..there's no substitute for actually taking apart,
>> looking, working on it etc.
>> NOTHING will change the situation until that is done first.
>>
>> in a rare case, yes, you have a working vehicle and you just touch
>> something ..
>> and totally push things over the edge, and then you don't have a working
>> vehicle.
>> To be avoided for sure ..
>> but really ...get down and dirty ! lol.
>>
>> Perhaps not many people fix things on a regular basis anymore.
>> That's almost 'all I do' .........like 50 times a week or more. Just
>> fix and repair and restore stuff.
>> it's fun and rewarding, and not expensive to do at all. I encourage it.
>> I think there is a terrible lack of 'physicality' in modern life.
>> Like splitting firewood, lifting and hauling stuff ...using hands, brain
>> and body regularly.
>>
>> I modified my tricycle before I even went to kindergarten. No one
>> taught me how either. Been doing it ever since.
>>
>> a gallon of coolant is a LOT ....
>> long term, if you find a donor Vanagon ..the 2.1 cooling system is
>> better for sure, than the 1.9 version.
>> btw..ALL parts and systems are interchangeble between 1.9 and 2.1 engines.
>> I often run 1.9's on 2.1 Digifant fuel injection, upgrade 1.9's to 2.1
>> cooling system, etc.
>> I always run the vastly improved 2.1 exhaust system on 1.9 engines.
>> And then you can use the 2.1 oil cooler/heat exchanger on your 1.9 .
>> Works great.
>>
>> if you like doing that sort of thing that is.
>>
>> VROOOM !
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/31/2016 11:25 AM, David wrote:
>>> Narrowing down- that's my next inspection point- I'll be pressure
>>> testing as well and will post results...I'm assuming that rust color
>>> is from the internal piece breaking down...I'm wondering if I should
>>> just purchase the Go Westy kit as an ounce of prevention :-/
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 4:39 PM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
>>> <scottdaniel@turbovans.com <mailto:scottdaniel@turbovans.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the plastic pipes..
>>> particularily at the front ends of them, near the radiator, are
>>> notorious for having the a metal insert slip out of place, out of
>>> the end of the plastic pipe....causing a leak ..
>>>
>>> and sometimes, a sudden large leak.
>>> I've had it happen out on the road in a seemed-just-fine personal
>>> Vanagon, and I've seen a wonderful Vanagon in a junkyard with
>>> fried engine for this Exact cause.
>>>
>>> you might keep an eye on this spot, you might pull the hose off
>>> and 're-do' in there, etc.
>>> GW sells a kit I gather, as well.
>>>
>>> fwiw, if I was going to attempt to re-glue the metal insert back
>>> into the plastic pipe, I'd use Marine Tex ...one of the best
>>> two-part epoxies you'll ever find.
>>>
>>> in any case..investigate that spot further I suggest !
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 3/31/2016 4:26 AM, David wrote:
>>>> Ok, the hunt is on...completely topped up system... Visual inspection
>>>> reveals externally, at the worst a rusty spot on one of the forward
> coolant
>>>> plastic hoses... really? with it idling in the drive, with me revving
> it,
>>>> it's still bone dry on the outside :-/
>>>>
>>>> I guess more time needs to pass and need to see more coolant losss...
>>>>
>>>> Probably time to replace plugs so I'll endeavor into that and maybe
> that
>>>> will tell me something...Still have to get a pressure gauge on it and
> see
>>>> what that reveals...if anything from the outside...
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah, and initial test with running the van cold fo 30 secs to see
> if
>>>> any burps come out from combustion getting into coolant turned out
>>>> negative....no bubble, nada, nuthin...
>>>>
>>>> Will post more as I go through this...
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Phil Zimmerman<philzimm1@shaw.ca>
> <mailto:philzimm1@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> From: David [mailto:fjazzbass@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Any advice is welcome... do we have to check for exhaust in the
> coolant?
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 85 1.9 GL MT
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Another internal leak symptom the check if you have not located the
> source:
>>>>> Pull all four spark plugs, in order and compare their electrodes.
>>>>> A clean electrode, if present, will show itself compared to the
> normal grey
>>>>> to black oil/carbon of combustion. A clean spark-plug electrode is a
> sign
>>>>> of
>>>>> coolant getting into the combustion chamber.
>>>>>
>>>>> Subaru coolant conditioner has worked wonders for a number of folk
> on this
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good hunting Dave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil z.
>>>>> On his rock off the west coast
>>>>>
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