Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 17:07:04 -0600
Reply-To: Jon VO <jondvo@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jon VO <jondvo@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: hankook ra-08 copies
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Now Tires Easy lists a 195r14 with a 106/104 in a GoForm. They no
longer list a 205/70r14, or the 185r14 apparently. I couldn't find the
proper size/load range GoForm tire in stock anywhere, or one checks and
then checks again in a day or two, different result. I'll stick w/ Nokian...
On 5/8/2016 4:52 PM, Jim Arnott wrote:
> 185/70R14 & 195/70R14 are not the proper SIZE. Look at the 205/70R14 98H XL which IS the correct size and load range.
>
> Vanagon & Camper
> 1984-1991
>
> 185R14C 6PR
> - Min Load Index 99
> - Max Load 1710 lbs
> - Min Load Range C
> - Max Inflation 55 psi
>
> *205/70R14 97R
> - Min Load Index 97
> - Max Load 1580 lbs
> - Max Inflation 40 psi
> * Reinforced Sidewall Passenger car tire
>
>
> Syncro Vanagon & Camper
> 1986-1991
>
> 185R14C 6PR
> - Min Load Index 99
> - Max Load 1710 lbs
> - Min Load Range C
> - Max Inflation 55psi
>
> 205R14C 6PR/8PR
> - Min Load Index 109
> - Max Load 2270 lbs
> - Min Load Range D
> - Max Inflation 65psi
>
> *205/70R14 97R
> - Min Load Index 97
> - Max Load 1580 lbs
> - Max Inflation 40psi
> * Reinforced Sidewall Passenger car tire
>
>
> Goform G520 - 205/70R14 98H XL
>
> Technical Information
>
> Width: 205 mm
>
> Profile: 70%
>
> Rim: 14" (355,6 mm)
>
> Wall Height: 143,5 mm
>
> Outside Diameter: 642,6 mm
>
> Standard Rim Width: 6 inches
>
> Rim Width Range: 5.5-7 inches
>
> Speed Rating: H 210 km/h 130 m/h
>
> Load Range: 98 750 kg 1653 pounds
>
> Extra Load (XL): Yes
>
> Tread: Symmetrical
>
> Directional?: No
>
> UTQG: 320AA
>
> Treadwear: 320
>
> Traction: A
>
> Temperature: A
>
> http://www.tireshot.com/tire-profile.php?tire_id=9513
>
> I bought a set based on Don’s recommendation. I couldn’t be happier.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 6:50 AM, jondvo@GMAIL.COM wrote:
>>
>> The Go Form tired don't have the proper load range is what I meant
>>
>> Sent from a rotary phone
>>
>>> On May 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "A real tire"?... Like perhaps 50% of the still new looking used Michelin tires I've seen come my way recently? <(Sarcastic) With the tread bulges and separations? I've given up on Michelin..
>>>
>>> I don't advocate the Go Form brand or any particular tire from them, just passing on my own experience with these, in answer to a query.
>>> DH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2016 7:43 AM, "Jon VonOhlsen" <jondvo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The GoForm G520 185 or 195r14 tire has a load index of 86(195) or 88(185), or a capacity of about 1250#. I'll stick with a real tire...unless there is some other version from Tires Easy.
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/7/2016 8:23 AM, Don Hanson wrote:
>>>>> I, too, was skeptical when I bought a pair of these to make it home from
>>>>> the desert one spring...being short of cash, though, I had no choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> They've surprised me by consistently performing just as well as the
>>>>> higher priced tires they claim to have copied... Thanks to Ron for taking
>>>>> the time to look up the back round info.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:41 AM, The Bus Depot <vanagon@busdepot.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> what is the name and where can you
>>>>>>> get the chinese copies of the hankook tires?
>>>>>>> Go Form
>>>>>> I looked into this claim after it was repeated here several times (by the
>>>>>> same individual, I believe). I also spoke to Hankook about it. The GoForms
>>>>>> come from a company called Qingdao Gloryred International Trade Company,
>>>>>> whose advertising headline is trade publications is (not kidding) "Sell
>>>>>> cheap tyre." Qingdao Gloryred has no affiliation whatsoever with Hankook.
>>>>>> Hankook has not shared any technology with them or licensed any technology
>>>>>> to them. Their claim of using "Hankook technology" is based solely on the
>>>>>> fact that their technical engineer used to work for Hankook. Given that
>>>>>> employees often change jobs, by that standard almost any company could
>>>>>> claim a connection to any other company. It is not uncommon for off-brand
>>>>>> Chinese companies to make false claims of affiliation with or endorsement
>>>>>> by name brands in order to lend legitimacy to their products. For example
>>>>>> there are several other off-brand Chinese companies that claim to use
>>>>>> "Michelin technology" but have no actual connection with Michelin. Laws
>>>>>> against false advertising are not the same in China. Interestingly, these
>>>>>> companies don't make those claims in the U.S., where they would be forced
>>>>>> to retract them immediately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consumer Reports tested several off-brand Chinese tires (although not
>>>>>> GoForms) a couple of years ago and found that they all performed at the
>>>>>> absolute bottom of the pack for safety and for lifespan, even though some
>>>>>> had copied the tread pattern of better known tires. They interviewed
>>>>>> Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety, who
>>>>>> explained this disparity by pointing out that “the composition of the tire
>>>>>> is more important than the mold.” In other words you can make the tread
>>>>>> look the same cosmetically, but if the rubber compound is different, it's a
>>>>>> different tire. The tires they checked were also "iffy" in other ways, such
>>>>>> as using counterfeit date codes on the sidewall. Consumer Reports - whose
>>>>>> goal is to find bargains and "best buys" - concluded by advising its
>>>>>> readers to stick with the name brands, which were actually better bargains
>>>>>> in the long run even just based on treadwear alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have not tried the GoForm tire so I can't comment on it specifically.
>>>>>> For all I know it may be a decent cheap tire on its own merits. But it has
>>>>>> no more connection to a Hankook RA08 than any other cheap Chinese tires
>>>>>> does, except perhaps skin-deep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Salmon
>>>>>> The Bus Depot, Inc.
>>>>>> www.busdepot.com
> [We have] socialism for the rich and rugged free market capitalism for the poor.
> -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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